Is anyone actually surprised by this?
This make the news only because it’s going to chinese servers. Didn’t see anything like that about ChatGPT or the one made by Google.
as opposed to OpenAI which also stores keystrokes and then sells them to anyone who’d pay?
This is Whataboutism and you are clearly a Wumao agent sent here to destroy democracy.
I don’t need to… Muricans took care of destroying democracy all on their own
We were doing a perfectly adequate job of that on our own
When I read DeepSeek’s privacy policy, I was creeped out by the invasiveness of the keystrokes thing. Then I realised that ChatGPT is just as creepy, but less upfront about it, and DeepSeek’s relative transparencyn caused me to see them in a more favourable light
Like every app you have doesn’t collect keystrokes data?
right?
CHINESE APP COLLECTS YOUR THOUGHTS AND SAVES THEM
We are now at a time where US blocks China services in order to protect its companies
Just like many US services are banned in China in Order to protect their companies
So, I hope no surprise…
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Its or their for countries?
I feel like their is more common. I do deliberately say its for companies because companies aren’t people and don’t deserve people pronouns. Countries seem more like a collection of people, so I use their.
If someone knows more about grammar feel free to correct me.
They should store the data in US servers like OpenAI does. Apparently then Mashable won’t write an article about it.
The criticism thrown at DeepSeek in the past days is just as applicable to American AI models. But when that was brought up it in the past it was “making things political”.
At least I can run DeepSeek locally.
Yes, that is how these generative AI imementations work.
This article is what US propaganda looks like folks. Mashable should be ashamed.
Literally all AI companies do this to run their services. Except you can actually download Deepseek and run it completely securely on your own devices. You know who doesn’t allow that security? OpenAI and the other US companies currently being screwed.
Oh my, just wait until you learn what Facebook and Google do…
Just host it yourself?
Building my entire data model around the Tienanmen Square copypasta. I can run this thing on a Raspberry Pi plugged into a particularly starchy potato and it reliably returns the only answer I’ve thought to ask it.
By extension, anything that’s not self hosted means 3rd party actors snooping. American, Chinese, whoever happens to operate that machine.
You can’t just host the 632B model that the app uses lol
You can run the smaller models on your desktop though
If you have the hardware, then yes, you can.
Ah, just acquire such hardware, very simple and anyone can do it without supply chain knowledge or advantage
Sorry but you are just talking assumptions without even having looked at the facts.
Its not cheap, but basically a single toptier gaming desktop with an additional graphics card (or 2) is literally all you need.
I know multiple people who work normal IT jobs that have already started on setting up their own. They plan on running them for their whole family, many users at a time from the same machine.
Here is someone who got it to work on a cluster of mac-minis. Again not cheap, but clearly within dedicated consumer enthusiast reach. https://digialps.com/deepseek-v3-on-m4-mac-blazing-fast-inference-on-apple-silicon/
And this is before even considering how fast open source moves, i am expecting quantized models which can have double speed for negligible quality impact any second now.
the company states that it may share user information to "comply with applicable law, legal process, or government requests.
Literally every company’s privacy policy here in the US basically just says that too.
Not only does DeepSeek collect “text or audio input, prompt, uploaded files, feedback, chat history, or other content that [the user] provide[s] to our model and Services,” but it also collects information from your device, including “device model, operating system, keystroke patterns or rhythms, IP address, and system language.”
Breaking news, company with chatbot you send messages to uses and stores the messages you send, and also does what practically every other app does for demographic statistics gathering and optimizations.
Companies with AI models like Google, Meta, and OpenAI collect similar troves of information, but their privacy policies do not mention collecting keystrokes. There’s also the added issue that DeepSeek sends your user data straight to Chinese servers.
They didn’t use the word keystrokes, therefore they don’t collect them? Of course they collect keystrokes, how else would you type anything into these apps?
In DeepSeek’s privacy policy, there’s no mention of the security of its servers. There’s nothing about whether data is encrypted, either stored or in transmission, and zero information about safeguards to prevent unauthorized access.
This is the only thing that seems disturbing to me, compared to what we’d like to expect based on the context of what DeepSeek is. Of course, this was proven recently in practice to be terrible policy, so I assume they might shore up their defenses a bit.
All the articles that talk about this as if it’s some big revelation just boil down to “company does exactly what every other big tech company does in America, except in China”
Collecting keystrokes is very different from collecting text inputted into fields. Keystroke rhythms is even more alarming as that is often used to identify users despite them using privacy settings, or used to collect what’s typed via audio collection.
Your argument that this is no different than other apps is complete crap. Don’t trust any app that collects that information
The argument stands, though.
Yes, not ALL other apps do that, but the comment was specifically talking about companies like Google and Meta… they definitely do collect incomplete strings from search forms (down to individual characters) when they display search suggestions, for example. They might not mention “keystrokes” in the legal text, but I don’t see why they wouldn’t be able to extrapolate your typing pattern since they do have the timing information which should be enough data to, at some level, profile it.
Did the American technology giants think they had the monopoly on capturing human input too?
My gym sock captures human input too.
That’s human output surely?
I input it into the sock.
The Chinese now have data on my Linux vm and my curiosity about sweet potato and sweet potato recipe. They’re coming for me now!
Did they become american company?
Well, at least models are downloadable.
Get it all you can, nvidia’s already lobbying to make them a security risk, competition is bad for business.
“We store the information we collect in secure servers located in the People’s Republic of China”
Now you Americans know how we Europeans feel when Google, Amazon and Facebook store our information on American servers. Hint: The protective wall between Chinese servers and their government are about as good as the one between American servers and their government - at least for non-US citizens. The last thin veil of privacy for Eurpeans has been ripped to shreds by Trump last week.
The last thin veil of privacy for Eurpeans has been ripped to shreds by Trump last week.
What did he do? I know Trump does not like the GDPR, but did he sign something affecting it last week?
He killed the EU-US Data Privacy Framework. Theoretically, no company is allowed to transfer data of European citizens to US-based servers anymore. Sadly, Ursula von der Leyen is lacking the balls to act on this.
Thanks, I did not know. I think you are referring to this: https://www.freevacy.com/news/noyb/trumps-actions-to-dismantle-pclob-threatens-eu-us-data-transfers/6088
To be completely honest… as an European I would be happy if they actually did make it so that no EU-US data transfer were allowed… we need to stop depending on all these US-based services… but like you said, they probably don’t have the balls to pull the plug. Which makes me wonder if that board was actually really any protection at all for privacy or it had always been an empty shell used as an excuse on both sides just to keep up appearances and maintain the plug on.
I honestly think this could be a win for us. Worst case scenario, nothing really changes but some masks fall off and at least some people would stop acting under false pretense.
