• I am taking issue with your calling them “habitual losers” since it’s demonstrably untrue. If you only look at the last election, you can’t call it “habitual”. If you widen the timescale, the worst possible is the last 3, in which they still won 1/3. In any other timescale, they were even or won more. Sure, there are other offices, but the presidency is quite a big one to overlook.

    I said that you aren’t ever going to understand what really happened if you start with a false premise, and you’re obviously going to defend your false premise to the end, so I’m out.

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      What did we “win” by electing Obama twice? A healthcare plan assembled by the same right wing think tank that brought us Project2025? Obama didn’t even win his supreme court nominees. That’s a big part of what I mean by habitual losers.

      I’ll go ahead and bring this up a third time since you are still ignoring it. It’s not just about the Presidency. Radical candidate Obama took the House, a (sort of) super majority in the Senate, and swept in state government as well on his coattails. Then he rescued Wall Street on the backs of working Americans and lost everything but his own office.

      Obama also redirected funds that usually go to the DNC to his own campaign coffers, which was a big part of how he saved his own ass at the cost of the party. That’s what setup the DNC to need a bail out which Hillary provided in exchange for their help in the primary. That’s where the emails came from that fucked her campaign.

      Candidate Obama was great, but President Obama was a total loser.

      Over the last 50 years the working class has been absolutely pummeled, with little difference between Democratic and Republican presidencies, since the Democrats can’t win and keep Congress. Electoral reform might help, but they can’t win at the state level to get that done either.

      The Democrats aren’t a sports team to be judged by wins and losses for a single office. Losing youth and working class voters is a total disaster for a supposedly progressive party. Democrats are now officially the party of the professional and investor class, and nobody else. Do you not see how fucked that is?