I’ll leave my opinion from the prior discussion of this topic here:

I for one against any illegal content from being hosted and displayed here, this include pornography. The reason being, i’m here for a hobby, i do not get paid to do this, i do not have the resource nor time to play with the authority were they found our site hosting and distributing pornography, and i do not want a hobby that could potentially ruin my life, no matter how small that chance is. This is an offence under the Malaysia law, and most of the admin live in Malaysia and therefore have to abide the Malaysia law. Facebook aren’t hosted in Malaysia either but people get into trouble nonetheless. It’s not moral issue, it’s legal issue. This also extend to other illegal stuff, including weed and firearm.

Second, hosting graphical porn mean there need to be heavily moderated, any non-consensual one need to be removed(like the owner of the material doesn’t give consent to get it posted). This is a moral one, consent in sex is very important, and consent in posting the recorded sex bear the same weight. iirc r/malaysiangonewild almost got into trouble with reddit and authority because of this.

Third, do remember who is leading MCMC. Fahmi Fadzil is known for strong arming anyone into submission, in a very dictator way. All the socmed listen and bow to him, and he recently force Telegram into cooperation after months of getting ignored. We’re merely an ant in comparison to them. Fanfiction is blocked and still is to this day, no one know why. If we get any mcmc report, consider this site dead.

Fourth, lemmyNSFW exists, and has better browsing experience. They patched and modify the Lemmy UI themselves to fit their need(yes i do my research).

However, i draw the line on text-based story. As long as it’s properly marked, it’s a go. Not so sure about thirst-trap pic, it might flood the frontpage and change the landscape of monyet.cc.

Nicely summarised, thank you!

Considering the points you have shown, and also that we intend monyet to be a malaysian-focused instance, the opportunities for NSFW content on monyet.cc is quite limited.

There’s is no point of running a generic porn community- anyone can get much bigger and more niche content on big instamces, back in reddit, in forums or streaming sites. And like mentioned, this kind of attendance might attract too many people (from around the world) who are here just for the porn, increasing the server operating costs (money and effort) without contributing to the core monyet community.

Focusing on Malaysian porn actors and actresses will probably be a very, very bad idea, as it increases publicity against monyet.cc and will attract trolls and that kind of crowd. Furthermore, it will increase risk of these people getting in trouble with the law, especially the subjects of leaked vids.

At this moment i can think of erotic stories, banter, tall tales like r/gonewildstories, discussions. Basically text only, not all for sexual gratification but also have some space for chit chat, boasting, support.

IMO the drawbacks far outweigh any benefit you’d get from hosting NSFW communities here. The admins would have more work monitoring explicit content to determine whether they’re valid (i.e. not porn or disguised ads).

Since this community is small, the rate of new posts being made is also pretty slow. You’d run into the risk of having “thirst-posts” become the majority of new content (let’s face it, the Internet is horny). Nothing against sex, but I don’t think that would be great for a country-focused instance.

For me, the legal and modding burden is the main point of consideration - not only for the team here, but also let’s face it, we live in a society with norms that’s not at all pro-victim and laws that’s not really practiced to protect spicy speech, without even thinking about the immorality of it.

I do agree if we proceed, to remove image embeds as a start.

That’s all thinking of NSFW specifically in pornographic (and not at all the same but functionally in our society is, also non-heterosexual) material.

But what about NSFW in sharing typical slice of life consensual stuff (this will never include child pornography or bestiality)? I think this is where mod discretion guidance needs to be hashed out a bit more.

What about NSFW in terms of art? Typical edge case would be discussing a docu on a human trafficking ring vs starting a thread in the anime sub about a lolicon show. Once we can articulate the distinction, I think that’s a good start.

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well summarised pros and cons. may i suggest that maybe we can do a trial run to see how it’s like say, over a 3-month period? reason being - it’s the instance’s first ever NSFW, and being such a new platform it seems difficult to predict what sort of risk will be present.

since it’s explicit from the outset that there will no graphical and explicit content, is it possible to just disable image content as a whole? That way at least the mods do not have to see some stuff they wished they didn’t see LOL. downside is perhaps occasionally we see funny NSFW memes we can’t share it. Other than that i really do not know what kind of NSFW photo a user can upload… Orgy posters maybe?

and another thing - what sort of content do we have in mind on the NSFW community? would it be like the dating community, except there’s no filter and we could talk about more NSFW things in the same mature manner?

Hey, thanks for this and sorry I haven’t got back to you on my suggestion.

I am 50/50 about allowing NSFW pictures, for there needs to be a heavily regulated community. Like Leon say (paraphrasing), he’s here for a hobby, and doesn’t want this to turn into an unpaid job. So, unless the creator of the community is willing to put in the hard (heh) work, it’s a no go.

I’m also worried about the means the contents are acquired, as we have seen a lot of stolen and leaked nudes posted on r/malaysiagonewild and other related MY NSFW stuff, and I once saw someone posting a teenager’s nude on r/my, which was promptly removed by you @dcx, if my memory serves.

Text based NSFW contents, including questions should be OK, as long as it doesn’t break any law.

Maybe a /c/MalaysiansGoneWild over at lemmynsfw.com is good enough.

Looks like we’re gonna have to decide, sooner rather than later (Im at work but I don’t dare to click on the c/sflix posts to double check)

Pretty much solid to me.

Imo here we have a distinct problem of there not being a robust formal education about sexuality and ethics surrounding it. I feel like a lot of people aren’t clear about the lines between what’s acceptable and what isn’t. There’s bound to be incidents of underage, leaked, and noncon revenge stuffs leaking in. If we limit to just thirst content it’d still be bearable to moderate.

And here’s where the federation model shines. Horny mofos can just spin their own instance for the more raunchy stuffs beyond what we would accept. Abam pulis are welcome to swat there instead. 😜

edit: reading others’ comments made me reconsider, even thirst content. I feel like the major nsfw Lemmy instances would be more prepared for this type of content.

I’m now leaning more towards framing them as art and literature. Think a story with a bit of spicy images thrown in. Think 80s Mastika.