Jebus, stop trying to find a single group to blame, it’s the entire god damn American public that’s at fault.

White, Latino, Blacks, Asians, men, women, Catholics, Mormons, Muslims, atheists, Republicans, Democrats, progressives, everyone in America knew who Trump and Republicans are and screwed the pooch and the entirety of America.

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    Blaming people for voting for Trump is the only thing stopping us from seeing that our real enemy is the 1%, the political elite, and the corporate oligarchy.

    We have the same enemy as Trump voters, it’s just easier to blame our neighbor for our problems than those who should really be held accountable.

    This is the exact reason why Trump voters voted for Trump, it’s easier to blame democrat voters than it is to hold the culpable to account.

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      Bruh stop it. The people who voted for trump who aren’t hardcore MAGA, are just as dumb as them. You guys keep talking about the “elites”. trump is promising a record low corporate tax rate and more cuts for that 1%. And voters didn’t care, because it’s culture war bs.

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        What is your endgame in blaming people. It won’t change anything,

        It won’t convince them to come to your side or see things the way you do.

        All it does is give you some sense of entitlement and superiority in that you somehow made a better decision than they did?

        Blaming people for voting for Trump actually weakens your cause.

        You stop.

        Trump voters are laughing at you because their team won. So keep worrying about who to blame, just bend over and lower your pants while the real enemies of the people can get to doing what they do whether an R or a D is in charge.

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          Blaming the 1% as you mentioned gets you the same nothing burger.

          The fault is in both of those groups, and also in the Democrats for such a weak platform and not connecting on a personal level to people. There is fault all around. Blaming won’t solve things but it at least shows us what groups need to be worked on. It’s just a starting point never the solution.

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            The blame lies with dnc leadership and the corporate shills. They don’t get to run the party anymore.

            Blaming Kamala, blaming the 1%, blaming the corporate oligarchs is the answer.

            Blaming working class voters is a the wrong answer.

            Working class voters have zero culpability in the real problems that’s working families face

            The blame lies with the elite ruling class, Kamala Harris, and dnc center right corporate neoliberal politicians who only listen to their donors.

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              Let’s keep arguing about blame to distract us from the hellscape we all have to endure regardless of it. That’ll help.

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                The party leadership is to blame. It’s pretty simple.

                Period.

                They don’t get to try to blame different groups of voters and then go oh let’s not blame anyone once people realize the truth, that they’ve been grifting their base this whole time.

                They don’t get to be the leaders anymore.

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              The party doesn’t cast the votes. People do. They are responsible for their decisions or lack thereof. Ignoring that is just as big an issue as ignoring the others responsible. But again, blame is only a starting point. Solutions and actions have to work to address the failings in each area. Sitting her trying to point at one group doesn’t help. It’s not so narrow as you are making it out to be.

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                Yes it is. This is a failure of Kamala and dnc leadership. If you can’t see that or think the voters share any blame then I assume you are either arguing in bad faith or don’t know what you are talking about.

                It is absolutely 100 percent as simple as I am making it out to be.

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                  I’m not arguing in bad faith. What makes you think voters hold no responsibility for their votes? Help me understand your viewpoint.

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                    The candidate is responsible for how they run their campaign. Biden said he was a transition president who would not run a second term. He lied. The dnc chose not to have a debate or any primary.

                    Kamala refused to change her position on any issues her base supports. She actually embraced republicans with the lowest polling numbers in recent memory as well as literal corporate CEOs.

                    Meanwhile Trump was posing with beans and talking about inflation, most voters ranked economy as the number one issue.

                    Kamala went up like 15 points at first when she took in Walz and was talking about the economy, but then pivoted to the right and away from the economy.

                    This loss is hers.

                    Trying to shame voters into voting for your side is a losing strategy. No one cares about Hillary’s opinion.

                    The voters are not the problem, and…. Again… even if they are you will get no where trying to shame them into joining your side.

                    The fact that the next day the dems and the dnc started blaming Mexicans and blacks for their loss without accepting any blame whatsoever for their shitty campaign is telling. Especially considering supermajorities of blacks and Latino voters voted for and continue to support the dems.

                    The dems and dnc are lying to you. Stop blaming the voters and blame the dems and dnc leadership. Look at what Bernie wrote, he wrote two letters explaining exactly these issues.