funny how if you guys do personal insults, it’s no problem, but if I were to offer insults back, it would be a bannable offense. almost like you can’t handle the truth lol
I apologize for the ad hominems you’ve been receiving, clearly your opinions aren’t welcome here. But to be fair we get the same attacks used against us by your kind (for example your ad hominem memes against president Biden).
Allow me to offer a logical antithesis instead:
The injustices and historical oppression of minorities resulted in an economic situation less favorable than the majority. To treat the two groups equally, we must first restore the socio-economic situation to a point of equity, which necessarily involves helping those who were previously held back.
Only then can we begin treating both groups equally, when everyone starts at the same level. This is where the idea of “white privilege” comes from - minorities were repressed for over 2 centuries, resulting in an economic disadvantage not so distinctly present within the majority. This is of course generalisation (there are examples of poor cis-het white males and rich minorities), but these outliers are the exception to the general data trend of an evident inequality.
Do you have a better proposal, other than leaving the economic gap between the majority and minorities as is to resolve itself (which would likely take centuries if it happens at all)?
The injustices and historical oppression of minorities resulted in an economic situation less favorable than the majority. To treat the two groups equally, we must first restore the socio-economic situation to a point of equity, which necessarily involves helping those who were previously held back.
You seem to be implying that blacks need to be “lifted up”. I disagree. One’s economic situation is completely separate from one’s skin color. And there are people of all skin colors that can be found in each socioeconomic stratum. I don’t see that all black people as unsuccessful or incapable.
Furthermore, since I know others will likely bring up the slavery argument; I’ll just go ahead and say that I find that a bit lazy. No one living in the United States today was ever personally enslaved by US citizens under the protection of the law. All of that happened literally over a century ago. And that’s not even getting into the fact that practically every region on every continent had some form of slavery at some point in history or that the US slave trade was largely the result of other blacks selling competing tribes into slavery.
There are poor people of all skin colors. If merit-based selections (e.g. for work, education, government programs, etc) are not going to be used, then selections based on income, quality of life, and similar factors seem a lot more fair to me and would equally lift up impoverished blacks, asians, whites, hispanics, etc.
Some have also made the argument that lifting blacks up is insulting to them as it implies that they can’t do so on their own merits and also conditions them toward expecting things to be handed out rather than fairly earned. Take that same sentiment and consider it for any other race. Many people from other races would also be insulted by the implication that they aren’t as good. Yes, you will have people from every single race that are just freeloaders and want things with no effort. But those are not the successful people that push society forward. For the best people in society are the ones that work hard and strive to improve things not just for themselves but for others as well.
Only then can we begin treating both groups equally, when everyone starts at the same level.
The problem is that we think there are groups in the first place. We’re all just human. Like I said before, programs can be tailored to uplift all humans that have economic disparity. Picking a group based on skin color and giving them help because they are a poor + a specific skin color when there are other poor people who are not is just going to create resentment towards the people that got an unfair advantage and the cycle will continue indefinitely.
minorities were repressed for over 2 centuries
See above regarding who sold minorities into slavery. If you don’t mean blacks specifically, I would also like to point out that everyone else who came to the US, with the exception of native Americans, started off more of less the same: you had some of each race who were wealthy, some who were not. Are there whites that are wealthy? Yes. Does that mean all whites are wealthy? No. It is the same for any other race. The concept that a nation has to be ethnically diverse is an artificial construct and one that is fairly recent to history. Even Europe a few decades ago was not very racially or ethnically diverse to the degree that the US was at the same time.
He actually has a point… feeding him insults is what the kind of people want. Just tear down their opinions with solid, painfully truthful logic… it’s the only way to fight the cult, I know how they operate.
Logic doesn’t work either, because then they switch back to insults and/or use intentionally broken logic to justify their own hate. You cannot reason with someone who has built their entire personality on illogical fallacies and hate.
The best reaction is no reaction at all. No votes, no comments, just rapid, silent bans that let the troglodytes scream their hate into the void, completely and utterly irrelevant to the rest of society as they fade into obscurity. That’s what really hurts them. Isolation and loneliness and completely forgotten, just like the basement they post from.
I agree for the majority of cases, but a few have shown that they can argue logically, albeit with faulty premises. Will showing their fallacies convince them to change their mind? No. But it might help prevent others from being sucked into it. We must show they’re wrong with logic, or others might wonder why we censor them, and start giving them a chance without seeing the fallacies it’s built on.
ah yes, you would like to ban me for not breaking any rules but having a different opinion. pretty funny when you stop and consider how fragile that makes you seem. 😘
funny how if you guys do personal insults, it’s no problem, but if I were to offer insults back, it would be a bannable offense. almost like you can’t handle the truth lol
I apologize for the ad hominems you’ve been receiving, clearly your opinions aren’t welcome here. But to be fair we get the same attacks used against us by your kind (for example your ad hominem memes against president Biden).
Allow me to offer a logical antithesis instead:
The injustices and historical oppression of minorities resulted in an economic situation less favorable than the majority. To treat the two groups equally, we must first restore the socio-economic situation to a point of equity, which necessarily involves helping those who were previously held back.
Only then can we begin treating both groups equally, when everyone starts at the same level. This is where the idea of “white privilege” comes from - minorities were repressed for over 2 centuries, resulting in an economic disadvantage not so distinctly present within the majority. This is of course generalisation (there are examples of poor cis-het white males and rich minorities), but these outliers are the exception to the general data trend of an evident inequality.
Do you have a better proposal, other than leaving the economic gap between the majority and minorities as is to resolve itself (which would likely take centuries if it happens at all)?
You seem to be implying that blacks need to be “lifted up”. I disagree. One’s economic situation is completely separate from one’s skin color. And there are people of all skin colors that can be found in each socioeconomic stratum. I don’t see that all black people as unsuccessful or incapable.
Furthermore, since I know others will likely bring up the slavery argument; I’ll just go ahead and say that I find that a bit lazy. No one living in the United States today was ever personally enslaved by US citizens under the protection of the law. All of that happened literally over a century ago. And that’s not even getting into the fact that practically every region on every continent had some form of slavery at some point in history or that the US slave trade was largely the result of other blacks selling competing tribes into slavery.
There are poor people of all skin colors. If merit-based selections (e.g. for work, education, government programs, etc) are not going to be used, then selections based on income, quality of life, and similar factors seem a lot more fair to me and would equally lift up impoverished blacks, asians, whites, hispanics, etc.
Some have also made the argument that lifting blacks up is insulting to them as it implies that they can’t do so on their own merits and also conditions them toward expecting things to be handed out rather than fairly earned. Take that same sentiment and consider it for any other race. Many people from other races would also be insulted by the implication that they aren’t as good. Yes, you will have people from every single race that are just freeloaders and want things with no effort. But those are not the successful people that push society forward. For the best people in society are the ones that work hard and strive to improve things not just for themselves but for others as well.
The problem is that we think there are groups in the first place. We’re all just human. Like I said before, programs can be tailored to uplift all humans that have economic disparity. Picking a group based on skin color and giving them help because they are a poor + a specific skin color when there are other poor people who are not is just going to create resentment towards the people that got an unfair advantage and the cycle will continue indefinitely.
See above regarding who sold minorities into slavery. If you don’t mean blacks specifically, I would also like to point out that everyone else who came to the US, with the exception of native Americans, started off more of less the same: you had some of each race who were wealthy, some who were not. Are there whites that are wealthy? Yes. Does that mean all whites are wealthy? No. It is the same for any other race. The concept that a nation has to be ethnically diverse is an artificial construct and one that is fairly recent to history. Even Europe a few decades ago was not very racially or ethnically diverse to the degree that the US was at the same time.
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He actually has a point… feeding him insults is what the kind of people want. Just tear down their opinions with solid, painfully truthful logic… it’s the only way to fight the cult, I know how they operate.
Logic doesn’t work either, because then they switch back to insults and/or use intentionally broken logic to justify their own hate. You cannot reason with someone who has built their entire personality on illogical fallacies and hate.
The best reaction is no reaction at all. No votes, no comments, just rapid, silent bans that let the troglodytes scream their hate into the void, completely and utterly irrelevant to the rest of society as they fade into obscurity. That’s what really hurts them. Isolation and loneliness and completely forgotten, just like the basement they post from.
I agree for the majority of cases, but a few have shown that they can argue logically, albeit with faulty premises. Will showing their fallacies convince them to change their mind? No. But it might help prevent others from being sucked into it. We must show they’re wrong with logic, or others might wonder why we censor them, and start giving them a chance without seeing the fallacies it’s built on.
ah yes, you would like to ban me for not breaking any rules but having a different opinion. pretty funny when you stop and consider how fragile that makes you seem. 😘
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