• db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    3 months ago

    Funnily enough, many online leftists think something similar is true for the right.

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      The right may not have great organization, but they have an astounding ability to put their blinders on for the Ten Minutes’ Hate when it’s called for. The right’s problem is that when they smell blood in the water, THEN the unity falls apart. It’s power games for them.

      Parts of the left, or what passes for it in this country, would prefer martyrdom to cooperating with heretics.

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        This is because “the left” tries to unite groups that ultimately are at odds with each other. Anarchists of all types work very well with each other usually, but not with Auth left because they have bad praxis and care about being in control of the movement. Likewise it’s difficult to align with social democrats who think electoralism and reformism is a solution and stifle direct action.

        Likewise Auth left and social democrats tend to infight, even within themselves, because their hierarchical praxis causes power play friction.

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          It’s simpler than that - the left has principles, while the right has unity and message discipline driven by deference to authority, a victim complex fear, hate, and thirst for power.

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            You’re mistaken that the right is unified. The fight among each other quite a lot. They can only manage to unite under a charismatic strongman, but quickly fall into infighting when that falters.

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              They’re not unified, they’re unified …now?

              The fact that they have conflicting ideologies (e.g. Nazis and Zionists as I said below) and continue to push in the same direction is pretty straightforward evidence of this.

              The unification pre-dates Trump - the rise of the tea party saw ideological rifts, but they all fell in line when the time came. Bush wasn’t a charismatic strongman… nor was McConnell for that matter.

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                You only think they’re pushing in the same direction because you’re on the outside looking in. As the op points out, they think the same about leftists.

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                  What issues is the left actually coordinated on? The non-specific “weird” narrative. Access to reproductive healthcare maybe.

                  Where is there meaningful dissent on the right?

                  • It’s not the obvious “stolen” election bullshit

                  • Even the Nazis are backing Israel

                  • They’re fighting regulation of firearms

                  • They’re all pushing for austerity broadly

                  • They want to restrict immigration

                  • They want to deregulate companies

                  • They want to outlaw trans people

                  • They broadly support Russia with a bit of surface-level sabre-rattling

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            Right. It doesn’t take long to find reasons that conservatives should be divided. Libertarians hyper-capitalists only care about taxes and eliminating government regulations, but are happy to ally with Christian Dominionists. Christian Dominionists, in turn, would only benefit from bringing traditionally black and latinx churches under their philosophy, but they’re also allied with racists who only care about religion and libertarian hyper-capitalism if it provides a way for white people to dominate all others. You can categorize any given conservative by which policy they choose when a contradiction comes up.

            None of these groups fit together at all, and there are obvious contradictions between them. Racists will happily add regulations that black people can’t sit in the same diners as white people, which the libertarians ought to hate. Libertarians end social programs that help people, which Christians ought to hate. They’re masters of ignoring all that to get their party into power.

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                That one may be less contradictory than you think. Depends on the brand.

                Historically, there were many Christian Zionists who thought “we should give the Jews their homeland so we can kick them out of Europe”. Likewise, certain white nationalists argue that every race should have their own homeland (granted, this may be a ploy more than a real conviction), and Bibi often finds himself in friendly company there.

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                  Reasonable, but understanding that doesn’t solve for the core “sinister Jewish cabal” narrative, I think it comes down to simple ideological alignment - far-right fascist autocracy with genocidal tendencies. There’s not much they disagree on.

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      I’m not particularly far left compared to the Lemmy Lunatics, but I suspect that is far more true for the right than it is for the left.

      I’ve seen people go from “are all these COVID precautions necessary?”, and tumble down a rabbit-hole to “we need to kick the foreigners out, Trump is the best choice for the US, and Russia is entitled to Ukraine” in a matter of months.

      They’re very good at keeping people on message. They grab people on one issue and make them go all-in.

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        The liberal to fascist pipeline is a thing ofc, but it doesn’t represent unity of action.