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minus-squarepartial_accumen@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up1·1 year ago I’m not strictly arguing for federalization, You’re replying to the thread where the OP wanted to nationalized SpaceX. I haven’t heard you say different. What are you proposing instead? but you’re arguing through whataboutism. No, I’m citing precedent. Its extremely applicable because its the exact same industry, and even existed before SpaceX. . And SpaceX is an effective monopoly. Otherwise we’d use other launch services at least some significant amount. I don’t think you follow spaceflight very much if you hold this statement. I’m assuming the “we” you’re using here means US government launch. Here’s US government launches that ULA did in 2022 and 2023 so far: 7 launches Delta IV Heavy | NROL-68 United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA June 22, 2023, 9:18 a.m. Delta IV Heavy | NROL-91 United Launch Alliance | USA Vandenberg SFB, CA, USA Sept. 24, 2022, 10:25 p.m. Atlas V 421 | SBIRS GEO-6 United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA Aug. 4, 2022, 10:29 a.m. Atlas V 541 | USSF-12 United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA July 1, 2022, 11:15 p.m. Atlas V N22 | CST-100 Starliner Orbital Flight Test 2 (OFT-2) United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA May 19, 2022, 6:54 p.m. Atlas V 541 | GOES-T United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA March 1, 2022, 9:38 p.m. Atlas V 511 | USSF-8 United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA Jan. 21, 2022, 7 p.m. source How is SpaceX am “effective” monopoly?
minus-squareEvilBit@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up1·1 year agoI was arguing a point, not a position. And SpaceX is literally the only means by which the US is able to send astronauts to the ISS currently. StarLink is a strategically critical service for military and probably other purposes. Precedent does not intrinsically imply merit.
You’re replying to the thread where the OP wanted to nationalized SpaceX. I haven’t heard you say different. What are you proposing instead?
No, I’m citing precedent. Its extremely applicable because its the exact same industry, and even existed before SpaceX. .
I don’t think you follow spaceflight very much if you hold this statement. I’m assuming the “we” you’re using here means US government launch.
Here’s US government launches that ULA did in 2022 and 2023 so far: 7 launches
Delta IV Heavy | NROL-68 United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA June 22, 2023, 9:18 a.m.
Delta IV Heavy | NROL-91 United Launch Alliance | USA Vandenberg SFB, CA, USA Sept. 24, 2022, 10:25 p.m.
Atlas V 421 | SBIRS GEO-6 United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA Aug. 4, 2022, 10:29 a.m.
Atlas V 541 | USSF-12 United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA July 1, 2022, 11:15 p.m.
Atlas V N22 | CST-100 Starliner Orbital Flight Test 2 (OFT-2) United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA May 19, 2022, 6:54 p.m.
Atlas V 541 | GOES-T United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA March 1, 2022, 9:38 p.m.
Atlas V 511 | USSF-8 United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA Jan. 21, 2022, 7 p.m.
source
How is SpaceX am “effective” monopoly?
I was arguing a point, not a position.
And SpaceX is literally the only means by which the US is able to send astronauts to the ISS currently. StarLink is a strategically critical service for military and probably other purposes.
Precedent does not intrinsically imply merit.