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    11 months ago

    I think they need to be taxed at 90%. That would be fair. The real problem is that they don’t pay regardless and they’re never held accountable.

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      They don’t need to be taxed more, they need to have their wealth confiscated and their capital returned to the workers. We need socialism not social democracy.

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        They don’t need to be taxed more, they need to have their wealth confiscated

        FYI, the state confiscating wealth is referred to as ‘tax’.

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    Yeah, no one was poor back when there were no billionaires. There’s way more poverty in the world today compared to 100 years ago.

    EDIT: Apparently the /s is necessary for you slowpokes, lol

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        Reality traitor.

        There is SO much less global poverty today than there was just a century ago that it’s almost unbelievable. Poverty is not only not caused by billionaires existing, but there’s positive correlation between their increasing numbers and global poverty decreasing.

        This is like continuing to argue that Internet porn causes rape to happen more, even after we can look at the stats and plainly see that the incidence of rape has plummeted as Internet porn became more ubiquitous.

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        I find it bizarre that you think one can be a traitor to one’s class. Please tell me, how is a class something which can even be owed allegiance?

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            11 months ago

            Price tags are not money. The market value of assets appreciating does not remove a penny from anyone’s wallet. Likewise, those assets becoming less valuable (e.g. Bezos’s net worth dropped by over $20 billion this month) does not put money in anyone’s pocket. Billionaires objectively do not cause poverty. The correlation between poverty and the number of billionaires is literally in the opposite direction–more billionaires correlates with less overall poverty.

            It’s not “siding with billionaires” to know the facts, and contradict ideologues who seek to replace those facts with their pet narrative.

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                However you justify it, it is still betraying your class. Still siding with billionaires.

                You could have just written “nuh uh!” and saved some time, since that’s the essence of what you’re saying here.

                Stop projecting, you’re the one replacing facts with your pet narrative.

                Everything I said was factual, and you know it.

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            Billionaires want all the money, fuck everyone else.

            This seems very naive to me. In my experience, everyone wants all the money, fuck everyone else. Including my fellow working class. All of them. Every single one.

            Siding with billionaires

            I see no sides. I see no difference in kind between billionaires, my boss, my co-workers, my neighbours, homeless people, members of the local labour club, you, me or anyone. We’re all human beings and we all prioritise our own wellbeing over the wellbeing of others. Cooperation in society and ruthless greed are not mutually exclusive. Humans will cooperate when it’s beneficial and also stab their fellow humans in the back, step on them and exploit them when it’s beneficial.

            you want to be fucked over by someone who has no care for you

            That’s ridiculous, nobody wants that.

            There’s no allegiance to a class it’s just something that is

            If is there is no allegiance then there can be no traitor.

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                Billionaires want to sit on their dragon hoard of wealth

                Having wealth and hoarding wealth aren’t the same thing. Hoarding implies isolation and withheld access. Someone keeping money under their mattress is hoarding that money. Someone who is investing in businesses in active operation within the economy is doing the exact opposite of hoarding.

                Stop misusing this term.

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                You are quite wrong.

                I disagree.

                Most want enough money to be content in life. Billionaires want to sit on their dragon hoard of wealth, while shafting those on the bottom line.

                All, including billionaires, want to ensure the survival of their genes. Wealth is sexually attractive. At no point does more wealth stop being attractive. So everyone wants as much money as they can get. That doesn’t mean they’re necessarily prepared to do what’s required to get it (murder, exploitation, etc.) but they want the money.

                And no difference between the homeless and billionaires. Yeah fucking right.

                I didn’t say no difference, I said no difference in kind.

                Nobody wants to be fucked over, obviously. But that is what is happening.

                Indeed.

                In every single case you can still be a traitor to something that groups you.

                I disagree.

                If you are not in the extremely wealthy class, then defending them is betraying what you are.

                That’s ridiculous. If a person defends the extremely wealthy honestly then that isn’t betraying what they are, that is what they are.

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              A class traitor is someone who acts counter to their class-interests. No allegiance required.

              That’s ridiculous, nobody wants that.

              Yet you defend a system which fucks you and the rest of the working class over.

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                someone who acts counter to their class-interests

                So not actually a traitor then, I see.

                you defend

                I’ve simply pointed out the reality of the situation, I haven’t stated any judgement about it.

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                  So not actually a traitor then, I see.

                  Linguistics prescriptivism is bullshit.

                  I’ve simply pointed out the reality of the siuation

                  (x) doubt.

                  Nice to see your bets so hedged. /s

                  But even if you were correct: Shouldn’t we as a society remove the system which enables people to monopolize power, if it’s “human nature” to exploit others?

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                  You clearly didn’t understand the term when asking your allegiance question. That question doesn’t make any sense.

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              It’s perfectly answers what a class traitor is, but if I directly quote Malcolm X, I’ll probably get my comment deleted.

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          It’s not owning allegiance to your class. It’s giving a shit about your fellow humans.

          It’s wanting a government and economy that allows the vast majority to have a nice life, and not insisting that millions should suffer so that a tiny fraction of the most wealthy people least in need of money can take the massive net worth they will never spend and add a zero to the end of it.

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      no one was poor back when there were no billionaires

      Whipping out my inflation adjustment calculator and…

      It appears this is a lie on two fronts.

      There’s way more poverty in the world today compared to 100 years ago.

      The extremely hard to swallow pill that westerners struggle with is the impact anti-colonial movements of the 50s and 60s had in drastically reducing poverty globally.

      People love to talk about changes in poverty in the Imperial Core. Nobody really wants to think about Bolivia or Vietnam or the enormous plunge in the poverty rates in Russia and China following WW2.

      Worse still, any discussion of poverty in Europe following the collapse of the USSR relative to the rising tide of prosperity in Africa, Latin America, and the Pacific Rim is just completely off the table.

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      looks aggressively at the richest men in American history, both about 100 years ago

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      Wait… so there’s more poverty now than when “there were no” billionaires?..

      You literally contradict yourself in two sentences 😆