Following the announcement by beehaw admins to defederate from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, there has been many posts and messages regarding that decisions and what other instances will do.

I personally believe Lemmy/kbin can only thrive if there is a free flow of content between different instances, with instance admins taking a back seat and focusing more on the infrastructure and making sure the technical bugs are smoothened out. Community mods can moderate their communities, and users can block the communities they don’t find appealing (there’s even a toggle in settings to hide every NSFW post from your feed altogether).

We don’t want to create walled gardens, nor do we want to make Lemmy more confusing than it already is for new users. We will not be defederating from any instance if there is even one good community on it that our instance users might find useful. So far we have only blocked lemmygrad.ml, and right now we have no plans to block anyone else.

  • GarlicFries@sh.itjust.works
    295·
    1 year ago

    They are The Donald of their sect.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20230608014753/https://lemmygrad.ml/post/668436

    We’ll go through each account application with due diligence, but we would like you to know before you request an account that Lemmygrad is a Marxist instance, principally Marxist-Leninist. We like Stalin and we uphold the DPRK’s sovereignty and legitimacy over the whole of Korea. We love China’s Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.

    By experience, most internet users who self-identified as Communists and oppose Stalin tend to be either brainwashed people in countries that are under the rule of Westen European diaspora or trolling bots. Is there any real Communists who actually oppose Stalin? Stalin receive the most slander in Western European diaspora because he refused the destruction of USSR through an unsustainable war against Fascism and he forced the desolution of alliance by British and French empires with Hitler’s Nazi Germany. The Liberals complained about the non-agreession pact between Stalin and Hitler, even when the Western European empires forced Stalin to make the peace pact, that buy time for war preparation by USSR against Hitler at a time when USSR is too underindustrialized and too devasted from the Russian civial war that was more damaging than World War 1.

    DPR Korea isn’t sovereign over the whole of Korea. Not yet, anyway. Hopefully soon.

    They are not your mainstream idea of socialists or communist, but have more in common with alt right fascist groups than they themselves would like to admit. Just the worshiping of centralized figure heads with life long terms who happen to have more power and wealth than the people they rule over seems contrary to the ideals of communism and socialism.

    • Otome-chan@kbin.social
      212·
      1 year ago

      Yeah it’s obvious they’re straight up tankies over there. I just don’t see a difference in opinion/views as grounds for defederation, though I guess some might feel that way.

      • GarlicFries@sh.itjust.works
        51·
        1 year ago

        Not to different from how it was in reddit where subreddits that have been banned over the years and still continued to function. Either way, beauty of lemmy is that there is nothing preventing users of lemmygrad.ml from viewing the content on this site logged out or creating an account here.

        Each instance is going to have their separate set of moderation approaches. There isn’t one that is entirely “free speech”. Already seen what happens with those with examples like voat. Then there’s 4chan. So there will be rules to foster the atmosphere instances want. Even lemmygrad.ml has application processes, bans, and blocks of instances so there is all a mutual understanding of the rules of each instance.

        • Otome-chan@kbin.social
          157·
          1 year ago

          I think there’s a difference between “unmoderated” and “free speech”. It’s one thing to allow all views and discourse. it’s another to just allow people to shit on the platform and degrade things due to unneeded hostility.

          Like we don’t need 4chan-tier stuff, but why is anyone who’s slightly more conservative than “ultra progressive” instantly silenced?

          • GarlicFries@sh.itjust.works
            5·
            1 year ago

            Because it’s up to each instance to decide what they want. If people don’t like it they can migrate to one that fits it.

            I think people are too used to the idea of a one place shop and except lemmy to be everything, but it’s better to think of instances as separate sites. Like how sites might be built off wordpress but each is their own.

            I understand people want a centralized reddit type replacement when it comes to interactions for everyone that is involved, but lemmy isn’t that type of place. Each instance is insulated as much as it wants to be.

            If people don’t like lemmy.fmhy.ml approach then for example lemmy.ml is an option that chooses to be federated with lemmygrad.ml with the admin there having affiliations there

            https://lemmy.ml/instances

            And lemmy.ml is still federated with lemmy.fmhy.ml so people can access this instance and also interact with the community on lemmygrad.ml. Basically find the instance that is connected to the instances you want to be. People are not locked to having to use instances that block ones that they want to see and interact with.

            Like my account is a perfect example. I’m not on lemmy.fmhy.ml. I’m from sh.itjust.works. But, I am blocked off from beehaw. If that bothers me I can find another place that doesn’t block me from beehaw, but also has access to this instance.

            • Otome-chan@kbin.social
              3·
              1 year ago

              yup makes sense. each instance can decide what they wanna do. it’s interesting to see it all play out. I’m pretty happy with how kbin has approached things so far :)

              • GarlicFries@sh.itjust.works
                1·
                1 year ago

                You are right it does have its funny moments. Was checking out kbin.social to see what it was like and it’s funny how lemmy.ml which used to be a safe place for pro Putin and pro Kim Un people is now being abused because the instance didn’t make their beliefs explicitly known and accepted too many mainstream individuals. lemmy.ml isn’t the safe place it used to be when they venture out of lemmygrad.ml with this take over.

                https://kbin.social/m/worldnews@lemmy.ml/t/66327/Ukraine-is-winning-and-it-is-changing#comments

                It’ll be interesting to see what happens to lemmy.ml, since the instance being overrun with people putting down instead of supporting their idea of the communist cause can’t be making them happy. Will they give up and let people say what they want and consider the instance a lost cause with the influx of users, or do mass bans.