Following the announcement by beehaw admins to defederate from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, there has been many posts and messages regarding that decisions and what other instances will do.
I personally believe Lemmy/kbin can only thrive if there is a free flow of content between different instances, with instance admins taking a back seat and focusing more on the infrastructure and making sure the technical bugs are smoothened out. Community mods can moderate their communities, and users can block the communities they don’t find appealing (there’s even a toggle in settings to hide every NSFW post from your feed altogether).
We don’t want to create walled gardens, nor do we want to make Lemmy more confusing than it already is for new users. We will not be defederating from any instance if there is even one good community on it that our instance users might find useful. So far we have only blocked lemmygrad.ml, and right now we have no plans to block anyone else.
Not to different from how it was in reddit where subreddits that have been banned over the years and still continued to function. Either way, beauty of lemmy is that there is nothing preventing users of lemmygrad.ml from viewing the content on this site logged out or creating an account here.
Each instance is going to have their separate set of moderation approaches. There isn’t one that is entirely “free speech”. Already seen what happens with those with examples like voat. Then there’s 4chan. So there will be rules to foster the atmosphere instances want. Even lemmygrad.ml has application processes, bans, and blocks of instances so there is all a mutual understanding of the rules of each instance.
I think there’s a difference between “unmoderated” and “free speech”. It’s one thing to allow all views and discourse. it’s another to just allow people to shit on the platform and degrade things due to unneeded hostility.
Like we don’t need 4chan-tier stuff, but why is anyone who’s slightly more conservative than “ultra progressive” instantly silenced?
Because it’s up to each instance to decide what they want. If people don’t like it they can migrate to one that fits it.
I think people are too used to the idea of a one place shop and except lemmy to be everything, but it’s better to think of instances as separate sites. Like how sites might be built off wordpress but each is their own.
I understand people want a centralized reddit type replacement when it comes to interactions for everyone that is involved, but lemmy isn’t that type of place. Each instance is insulated as much as it wants to be.
If people don’t like lemmy.fmhy.ml approach then for example lemmy.ml is an option that chooses to be federated with lemmygrad.ml with the admin there having affiliations there
https://lemmy.ml/instances
And lemmy.ml is still federated with lemmy.fmhy.ml so people can access this instance and also interact with the community on lemmygrad.ml. Basically find the instance that is connected to the instances you want to be. People are not locked to having to use instances that block ones that they want to see and interact with.
Like my account is a perfect example. I’m not on lemmy.fmhy.ml. I’m from sh.itjust.works. But, I am blocked off from beehaw. If that bothers me I can find another place that doesn’t block me from beehaw, but also has access to this instance.
yup makes sense. each instance can decide what they wanna do. it’s interesting to see it all play out. I’m pretty happy with how kbin has approached things so far :)
You are right it does have its funny moments. Was checking out kbin.social to see what it was like and it’s funny how lemmy.ml which used to be a safe place for pro Putin and pro Kim Un people is now being abused because the instance didn’t make their beliefs explicitly known and accepted too many mainstream individuals. lemmy.ml isn’t the safe place it used to be when they venture out of lemmygrad.ml with this take over.
https://kbin.social/m/worldnews@lemmy.ml/t/66327/Ukraine-is-winning-and-it-is-changing#comments
It’ll be interesting to see what happens to lemmy.ml, since the instance being overrun with people putting down instead of supporting their idea of the communist cause can’t be making them happy. Will they give up and let people say what they want and consider the instance a lost cause with the influx of users, or do mass bans.