Stop with your mental gymnastic . Just because you buy lands in another place doesn’t give you the right to force a state on local population . They only had 9% and wanted the local population to give up 55% of the land but ended up controlling whole Palestine like predicted by Zionists. Also European settlers did similar tricks against first nation in America. The treaties first nation signed was technically legal but was immoral and everybody agree that genocide against them was terrible

After the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine** - Ben Gurion

Partition might be only a temporary arrangement for the next twenty to twenty-five years - Chaim Weizmann

The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” -  Menachem Begin

Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895

The property owners will come over to our side. According to my conception, the majority of the local population will have to be transferred elsewhere.

We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country.

Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly

And like i already say some Palestinian suggested a one state solution with equal right for every why Zionists refuse such a logical solution?

The international community agree that settlements in west bank is illegal if Israel truly believe in Palestine right to a state and believe in peace they wouldn’t build them, they wouldn’t sponsor settler terrorism

I won’t let you deflect. Palestinians are local population, Zionists immigrants came to the land and said you have you give us part of your land so we can build a state majoritarily for us. How don’t you realize how ridiculous this is ?

You keep talking about democracy while Israel has normalized relation with many autocratic countries. The Jordan you criticize are intercepting missiles for Israel have some self respect and stop being ungrateful

Zionists being emigrants is a fact through, palestinian being the local population is a fact. Don’t conflate zionists with jews in general, i know there always was some jews who never left the land, doesn’t make thr europeen zionists having right to force the state on thrm

You are the bad actor. Democracy is internal has nothing to do with the fact that Zionists immigrant forced a state on the local population and did ethnic cleansing in 48. Stop pretending that Zionism was not a supremacist ideology

Nobody is tricked by your disingenuous mention of democracy to deflect and trying to making it about jews vs Arabs.

Palestinians should have (in the past at least) worked to be a part of Israel. It was their chance at freedom and they refused to share it with Jews

Arab suggested a one state solution with equal rights to everybody, Israel never did . A one state where west bankers and Gazan become citizens on Israel would go against the fundamental of Zionism which is a Jewish state

It is supermasism

Supremacism is a stronger and broader belief in the inherent superiority and dominance of one group over others—often based on race, ethnicity, religion, nationality, or cultural identity.

It’s a fact that zionists believe that they have more right to the land because their ancestors used to live there 2000 years ago over the local popuation who never left. It’s a fact that israel as a zionist state is dominating palestinians. The best example are illegal settlers terrorists are acting violently on palestinians with the idf protection

I don’t like that excuse. Everybody know this is an iligitimate war.The court has no obligation to believe netenyahu and delay his trial

He is part of the israeli government, the israeli government are financing those settlements so the sanctions should be on israel itself. Israel deserve cuba like sanctions

I remember certain pro occupation and genocide in palestine talking about how we don’t care about sudan but israel did sells arms to south sudan to commit crimes against humanity

I remember certain pro occupation and genocide in palestine talking about how we don’t care about sudan but israel did sells arms to south sudan to commit crimes against humanity

It’s crazy someone in this post argued that the grand mufti was influencial despite telling him that he failed to push most arabs to side with nazi germany at the same he said that Herzl was not influencial but the document of the declaration of “independence” Herzl referred to as “the spiritual father of the Jewish State” . I showed him quotes of herzl talking sbout expulsing the local population and ben gurion tslking sbout controlling all palestine once they get an army. He still refused to acknowledge that zionism is cancer

It’s based on facts that you are trying to redefine

“The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” - Former Prime minister Menachem Begin

Even if egypt really was about the attack while not only occupy certain part of egypt instead of occupying more palestinian land?

There is 700k illegal settlers in the west bank naturally in a two state they will be displaced to israel

Zionists knew that palestinians the local population wouldn’t accept to give up 55% of their land to recent imigrants owning only 9% of the land. Certain arabs also suggested a one state solution from the beginning which no zionist supported back then. Yoy also like to only read whst you want i told you that ben gurion ssid he want the whole land

If zionists really wanted peace they wouldn’t have occupied gaza and the west bank in 67, they wouldn’t support illegal settlements in west bank, they wouldn’t still call west bank as judea.

You are ignoring what zionist thinkers and leaders said so i still stand by saying supporting a two state solution do not make you a zionist, believing that the zionists imigrants had the right to force a state on local population and ethnically cleansing them is being a zionist. I support a one state because a two state make zero sense.West bank and gaza are not contiguous so how palestinians could move between both without israeli control? A two state would also mean displacing hundred thousands of israelis and palestinians , it would have a big impact on israeli economy so imagine how much worse would be for palestine to absord 3 millions palestinians.

Believing in a one state is the ultimate believe in antisimitism being bad since both semetic group could reconciliate and live together after 57 years of occupation

A minority while zionists imigrants plan was always to force a state on local population. There was a lot of opposition from jews about zionism and still are

Yes but this doesn’t make antizionism in general bad and don’t discredit palestinian liberation mouvement either

Zionists do not support it , they always refused to give back all the land that was occupied by israel in 67 those land are palestinians under international law and do not support a one state solution either that would allow israeli and palestinian in the whole land of mandate palestine and live together with equal rights

Why are you still denying that modern zionism was a supermasist based on herzl admission.

Husseni asked arabs to support hitler so If he had that much influence most arabs would have sided with the axis but no they was with the allies

No, i ask proof that generally not only in lemmy or a certain lemmy instances most antizionists are antisemites.

Today yes but before it creation no, because zionists was imigrants that wanted to force a state by ethenically cleansing local population. It’s still ok to believe in a one state with equal right too

Does palestine has a right to exists too?