It is not even going to be like a civil war, we would need organized opposition for that. This will be a Reign of Terror. Almost all one way persecution of an ever-expanding group of people. Unless of course they lose control in 2028 but that seems increasingly unlikely given the same , unpopular, and sold out establishment leadership still controls the opposition party. No ambition let alone any fight, not a single Challenger for house, or senate, or even the presidency when anointing a candidate that never breached 30% popularity with four months to go. We were offered no reform, no fight against the people openly screwing us. Same worsening Healthcare and Drug system, Silicon Valley tightening the screws, and so forth. Not even a single fucking issue. They did not personally call out a single company or their leadership in any strong way.

Not a chance any of them lead a campaign to protect Americans from getting hurt.

What we need is a sort of Federated true populism. While my beliefs line up more with the progressive DSA type populists, they are not right for every District especially given how they are LED to oppose them. We need populism across the country tailored to District cooperating together on what they agree on to reach a critical mass to just take the Democratic Party and force the rest into going with the program. Once they see which way the political winds are blowing they will fall in line as well.

Populists opposing allowing the rich to ass fuck working people without their consent. And dishonoring the bill of rights, etc. With a big emphasis on those financial interests screwing us being brought to heal one way or the other. If they can legally charge us more than everybody else for drugs, we will hit them for other crimes that they commit type of thing. Call them out by name.

We need candidates tailored to their districts in other words in general agreement on the need for reform. With decent candidates and even a modest number of people in that District organized for them along with a national Federated Forum where we could cooperate on what we agree on, we could unseat perhaps the majority of these establishment Democrats and the Republicans in the general election.

Those supporting the Democratic establishment unwilling and unable to do what is necessary to take the country back from the fascists let alone fix anything are the ones supporting the fascists.

Ignorance is no excuse for betraying America either, I’m very disappointed in you.

He is definitely a shadow of his dickish self in 2020. She is running on auto dick at this point. Which changes nothing, the party is running the show which is even worse in a way.

But whether he remains propped up or not, 2028 might be our only chance to unseat these guys before they rig the elections to the point where they will forever remain in power. Vance will not end with it, not without a fight and he will not win that fight whether he inherits it or not.

The nest of vipers will see a bitter fight that could be our chance to take it from them if we had a popular reform alternative with some organization behind it, and some guts and muscle.

The Democrats are not that so disabuse yourself of the notion that Newsom.is acceptable. If he had what we needed he would have stood up in 2024 and claimed the nomination, and he could have won then. Not now.

Half may be too high. At least in those that would be pulled over right away with a populist alternative Reform Party. A lot of these True Believers, which I do believe are about half of the Republican electorate, that believe more than not of the bullshit, can be pulled, look at Marjorie Taylor green and her base. She opposed the war with iran, she called out and opposes the genocide in palestine, she is opposed to go engineering such as spring sulfur dioxide into the upper atmosphere to block the Sun, and she is for releasing all of the Epstein documents. As delusional as they are, with a better alternative they would support something other than what they do now.

But the cynical ones, which includes a lot of the business oriented republicans, comfortable people making good money that want to fuck the poor just out of General principle and continue to increase their lot would not support that reform alternative unless it was clear they were going to win which would not be when it would be most needed, the first time around.

A lot of religious people would support a popular reform but so many are so misguided by their religious leaders they will not. I would not Hazard a percentage guess. Negligible amounts of evangelicals and Calvinists, a significant number of Catholics would support it but the Nationwide Catholic leadership is pretty hard right the pope notwithstanding.

The methodists and others may even support it in the majority.

But with current leadership and strategies we will never find out. It was hard enough to win a more honest election, now we need a more commanding majority to overcome all of the election rigging they will be doing on every level, as well as controlling at least one house of Congress so they cannot vote their guy in any way even if they cannot rig enough states to take it outright.

Also we need a very muscular approach to fighting election rigging and answering it. Meekly asking the courts is not enough. Voters decide elections, not courts. Should be the rallying cry on that.

The business and political elite, near all ivy league members in secret societies to distinguish them from the non ruling class aristocrats let in because civil rights laws, were targeted in this israeli honeypot to compromise them.

It explains a lot in the support for that county’s ever more extreme actions. And their arrogant capricious bullying and persecution over disagreeing with our policy of unconditional support in both parties.

If that info leaks, and other kompromat, the hold will falter.

We need non crooked politicians that cannot be blackmailed from every angle anyway. At a minimum we have russia, israel, and prez’s fixers blackmailing them, without even considering what biz groups know. I bet oil knows some shit, and silicon valley.

Did you miss the election rigging and projecting that on the opposition?

Or subordinating media. Or their nurturing paramilitary groups to use like black shirts?

There is maybe one longshot chance in 2028 and we do not have leadership that can pull it off, still suckling at the teat of the establishment grooming newsom as the next weak sold out non reformer aristocrat to run on I am not the other guy offering empty platitudes not attacking the oligarchy or threatening their positions.

Vance will not end with supreme leader, he will be pushed aside by the base for a different asshole.

His payment is russia not releasing evidence of his fuckeries, be they of underage kids or whatever else.

People do still trust the doomed to fail establishment dems though. No pushback on annointing kamala on bad faith arguments that 4 months was not enough time. Not a single challenger.

No challenge for senate leadership, none for house as new leader was handpicked by old.

The party is broken. On the prez no one would cross the establishment, afraid of bad faith bigotry allegations of stepping over the first minority woman, nevermind she was unpopular across the board, never breaching 30 pc approval, offered no real reform, attacked no one s rewing us.

I am done trying to help these people. I want to help real leaders that can win.

Americans only like what is going on because they have been misled to blame the wrong people for our decline. They trust the wrong people, we all do to different degrees, the sheep of the dem party especially.

If a strong reformer faction ran a true populist campaign, channeling anger towards it’s actual source, half of those people would join us. They want to attack the people screwing us. Without strong populist opposition to this plutocracy they will continue to be misguided.

That does not hold for evangelicals and some of the religious right perhaps they are fucked in the head and want to see the earth drown in lakes of blood and fire for the rapture.

He is directly emulating hitler, acheiving more of a mussolini. Fuck what his supporters think or how they respond.

Guy is a scaredy cat, he decamped to bunker in 2020 because of blm protesters marching.

Then ordered military to shoot them, was rebuffed, ordered to just shoot them a little, was rebuffed. Military agreed to tear gas and some violence to defy their rights to protest.

No one will rebuff him long today. They all think the republic is already dead.

Organizing to seize control of a political party and sweep elections and restore the Republic is anything but incremental change.

Call it what you want, the only way to improve our lot is to organize and work cooperatively on what we agree on, and that would be opposed by the state, and the oligarchs that control the state, and we would have to defend ourselves in our rights to exercise our constitutionally protected freedoms as we are allowed to by law. As the unions did when the corrupt power of the state at the behest of the bosses tried to crush their organization.

A revolution without any organization would just be an animal farm situation where the new boss would be like the old boss. And we should not want a revolution but rather a restoration. The system is generally good, the system is Dishonored and ignored.

We already knew continually selling the party as we are better than the other guys while constantly ratcheting to the right was not enough to win elections.

The right is offering Solutions and we know the voters do not know any better. We are not, that we is everybody not supporting the right wing.

It is not a new phenomena that voters have been seduced to the dark side and led into alternate realities. Not just the right wing either. The Democratic sheep are just as responsible for what is happening due to my effort mentioned arguments.

They knew what we were facing and they refused to change. Now the political monster they declined to stop will destroy them, if Democrats were stealing elections for decades systematically, they would have to be punished.

Any assurances they have gotten from Republican power Brokers that that is just performative mean nothing.

I predict indictments will come down this time of the year in 2027 on the Democrats for bogus election rigging charges.

Until around the Civil War the Bill of Rights only applied to States and not the federal government. It was not an issue before that because the federal government was not up in everybody’s business either. They are only authorized to regulate interstate commerce in the us, and forbidden from inhibiting the free movements of people and goods in between the states.

People are mad and know they are being screwed if not by whom. The right is misdirecting their anger, while the Democrats do not even try to direct it playing the currents the right set.

With real leadership, it would make public opinion. It would Channel the anger towards its actual sources.

By allowing these Democrats to be the opposition we have surrendered the field and waste our efforts on doomed strategies.

People want reform, if we do not give it to them, the right will.

That is exactly what we need. I live in Deep Red country and I can tell you most people agree on the problems Society faces. We have just been led into different causes and solutions to those problems. With people cooperating on what they agree on, the divisive culture War politics would hardly register with the majority.

First and foremost, people want to be able to make enough money to live a dignified life, and do not support allowing the rich to steal their lunch. They also will support equal rights by and large in an honest accounting of the problem.

We really need such a sort of citizens Union like we are speaking of sort of here, but also a Consumers Union to cooperate on the goods we are sold, and more than anything we need a sort of investors Union, where people can’t pull their money to create companies that are not run solely on the profit motive in areas where the private sector is unwilling and unable to provide for society’s needs. Investors could be offered a fair rate of return while still working towards other goals as well. Especially like Pharmaceuticals and Healthcare and internet cooperatives, alternative energy, etc.

I would like to see a university where people could invent new things while learning in conjunction with others where they could get a share of any innovations that resulted from it being developed by one of these benefit corps. on the investors union.

Instead of throwing obscene amounts of money down the drain to these bloated corrupted educational institutions, that money could be used to actually do things.

It is a little late in the game for all of these aspirational goals but it will never be easier than it is now despite 20 years ago being the right time for these.

Have no fear, organizing to oppose the establishment is quite violent. The labor movement had a lot of fights. From beating the shit out of the police in Minneapolis in the 1920s to the coal miners of Appalachia to the UAW.

That is why I think Sean Fain would be a good presidential candidate. He is willing to fight and honestly.