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Ah yes, as if anarchism, liberalism, libertarianism or really any other human ideology and methodology centered entirely on egoism don’t engender some strange communal cargo cult behavior. It’s almost as though they too are full of shit?

It is funny to believe in ‘self-determination’ when you can’t even recognize that all the important decisions have already been made for you. It is rich to pretend to fight against the nihilist when you only believe in yourself. So go egoist, live your life as you please, blissfully unaware that you are just as stuck the very herd of individuality that we all find ourselves in.

Ehh, kinda, but not really. It’s pretty standardized (which is hilariously rare for these disciplines) within sociology, anthropology and even economic theory. At most economics would label it an ‘inefficient market’ but even they are stretching their definition to the breaking point when there is no actual expectation of reciprocity for most transactions.

You absolutely need an army to sustain market economies. Somebody has to collect the debts. Why do you think America spends more money than anywhere else on it’s police force? You have to have a monopoly of force in order to sustain obviously unfair and arbitrary property relations. Why does America have military bases across the globe and sanction countries that refuse to engage on it’s market terms? Because we need to have the potential to place a boot down or provide training for those that will do our enforcement for us.

Look at crypto, without centralized financial support it all but crumbled, to only resurge as a speculative asset, only to dip again. Maybe it will make a resurgence, but it is capital with no army, never to break the bounds of the fin-tech industry.

Force is what drives and has always driven market economies. To believe otherwise is to be an-cap, to separate the historical development of markets, capitalism and the state.

Look, when one says “There are (as in exists) only two classes” I generally expect them to mean “There are (as in exists) only two classes.” Which is not true.

I’m not offended, it’s just that I made my pedantic point, and now you are insisting that you didn’t say something that you said. You are only technically wrong, and it’s still a better quip than mine.

Look, I’ll take the L here if it really matters all that much to you, but claiming that we can’t make theoretical mountains out of molehills in terms of theory in arbitrary instances is practically denying our Marxist heritage. If anything we should be founding and publishing newsletters against each other at this point. Surely you can spare a section of a little ol’ measly memes comment section.

Again, purely pedantically, no it is not, unless you just mean ‘the middle class does not exist’, then we are in agreement. There are many classes that still exist, but only 2 have ‘revolutionary potential’ according to Marx.

Though I (and Lenin and Mao) would even disagree with that. The ‘peasantry’ of the 20th century proved to be more than capable at staging their own revolutions.

This is not true. Market economies originate with the state. Prior to markets, most societies engage in gift-economies, where value and price are relatively arbitrary and dictated by personal relationships, not scarcity. It is only when an army comes in and forces you to trade with it do we see the emergence of market economies. You are however, correct that the market we engage with right now focuses primarily on capitalization, which is generating the most amount of money. That is the structural logic of a ‘capitalist’ mode of production. The liberal (or really neo-liberal, but we are splitting hairs at this point) lie around this is that this mode of production is and encourages the most ‘efficiency’ or ‘productivity’. This is not true, as demonstrated in your example.

Within capitalism there will always be perverse incentives to value the ‘fetish’ (money) over the commodity (the object being produced). And it is this ‘fetishization of commodities’ that ultimately creates the series of rolling crises within capitalism, as the fetish must grow larger and larger even if (and especially if) the commodity production itself does not. The incentive isn’t to satisfy demand, it is to generate profit.

The problem is that the ‘middle class’ doesn’t exist. It is a series of cultural affectations, that do not apply to the majority that supposedly make up ‘the middle class’. If the ‘middle class’ can or can’t make up welders pulling 55 hours a week on overtime and an accountant working 40 hours a week, then the distinction is arbitrary. That is why Marxist distinctions of class are superior. They are dictated instead by your relationship to your means of production, and how you acquired the rights to that relationship.

From an purely pedantic Marxist standpoint, that is not true. Marx identified several classes. It’s just that he saw societal transformational potential in both the bourgeoisie (a revolution he lived and was living through) and the proletariat (a revolution that he expected and wanted to happen).

Oh Christ I had totally forgotten about that one, that is some DEEP lore.

Ah well, regardless, we’ll bully whomever shows up on our feeds. Thanks!

This is more of a technical question than anything, but if we post on an instance of lemmygrad, can .world people see it? Or because they are unfederated, they can’t see anything we post, even if it is on a posted hosted in lemmygrad? Probably not the correct venue to address this, but I have given this whole federation thing about three brain-cells worth of thought.

Hog out or log out.

Gonna be honest, it’s probably gonna take a few months to get back into fighting trim. We’re out of practice from peak-r/chapo era, and in general, nicer and more genial people than we were back in those days. We’ll see how long it takes before enough libs annoy us enough to reach that level of true power-posting.

People would absolutely watch this, you just shouldn’t over-expose them to Terry Crews like they did with Dwayne Johnson.

I know we’re (hexbearians) not technically supposed to do this outside of our own instance, but your general level of anxiety and growing antipathy is why the ‘Chapo Posting Method’ was created.

It’s essentially the online leftist answer to the general question posed by Sartre’s Anti-Semite and Jew. If they are not going to take words and the conversation seriously (and why would they when there is no material incentive to do so, it is just a game of psychological aggrandizement to them) then you are under no obligation to do so. There are rarely any bystanders, and if there are, the point isn’t to convince them that you are right, the point is to convince them that you are funny, because people habitually listen to people they find funny and make them laugh. And these redditor-types, despite their two second replies ultimately take themselves very seriously so they’re easy marks for this stuff. Never be the nerd in the room.

Interesting. I have been doing a fair amount of Stalin reading recently, both about the man and by the man (though I find myself a mix of in favor, at odds and then sympathetic), so I might look into it abit further. That being said, I can’t imagine being a hardline Stalinist, so many of the policies that he championed in the Central Committee were policies of necessity, and then dealing with the aftermath of those policies of necessity (the consequences of which are often exaggerated, but still not great) that I don’t think a blanket support of him is necessarily a good thing (though laying the blame entirely at his feet is just as flawed, if not more so).

Thanks for the info, I appreciate it.

I’m going to be honest here I have seen less copious and comprehensive notes from Maoists, what a fucking saga.

It’s a either a shame or a joy that despite being an online guy, I still have zero idea what a Hoxhaist is outside of bunker memes.

@LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml

So the poop touching story was from I believe the 2018 midterms. Matt Christman had made a bet that the Dems would do poorly (I believe) with Virgil (Who’s Virgil?) and Virgil won because he generally speaking had a better grasp mathematically of the horse-race of electoral politics (which is why he was a wonk about them mattering). When Matt lost, he had to ‘touch the poop’, which was I believe Virgil’s cat’s poop.

Details may vary. It’s amazing to me that I remember that much.

Edit: it was also done live on-pod. I’d say it’s about the closest the pod ever got to ‘Adam shitting himself on air’.

I’m sorry, as a Midwesterner I need to know the story of Wisconcom.