You’re the one spewing psuedo-science and cope. Just because it becomes stubborn doesn’t mean it will never budge. Secondly lmao 1 pound a week being “a lot of weight” I can lose 8 pounds in a day by dehydrating myself. Just shut the fuck up and move on. You’re actually moronic.

The difference in my muscle mass of 220 and someone who’s 220 mostly fat is still a caloric energy balance. Do I have to increase my calories more than them to maintain? Yes. No one had stated an objective maintenance caloric intake. Mine could be 3500-4000, their’s 2800 or some shit. Still doesn’t change it’s a trivial intake issue. I’m done replying to someone so objectively stupid. Eat less, lose adipose tissue, lose weight. I guess overall starving nations having no fat people is just coincidence.

Assumptions are not strawmen. It’s a direct response to a point you made.

Conflating feeling mildly peckish and the feeling of actually starving. That sure makes sense.

Right, as doing a 500 calorie deficit is literally nothing, and it takes about 2 weeks for your metabolism to adapt to the cut. You’d be dead for them it stop.

My god. There is no fast way to lose weight but you don’t have to “eat much less” you just need to be in a long term energy deficit.

You’re making it blatantly obvious you’re even more delusional by not understanding what a strawman is. Even if I was wrong I’m not setting up an arg I’mument no one stated just to trash it. Regardless, lmao. This is literally basic biology. Something can’t grow without the energy to supply growth. Try growing a tree without sunlight and water. I’m sure it’ll sprout in an energy deficit. You can recomposition in a cut sure, but you can’t pack muscle or lipids if there’s no incoming energy.

Wow so when your body no longer needs the same energy to maintain your 400lb fatass, you should just eat less energy, revolutionary!

This is why it’s fucking trivial to lose weight. Weigh in twice a week, count calories, adjust weekly income based on weigh-in changes, and for god sake exercise. Wow so complex, so many variables! Every ground you stand on is so unbelievably antithetical to how simple and well researched this is. I know you want to believe in boogeymen, and ard probably obese yourself (assumption not strawman, learn your terms) but it’s easy. Just because it can take 4 months to lose 16 pounds, doesn’t mean it isn’t simple. I regularly do this for powerlifting body recomposition. I know the science. I know the processes. I actively participate. You are fucking lazy, stupid, or delusional if you cannot lose weight in an energy deficit, or gain muscle and weight in a surplus. End of discussion.

That literally doesn’t happen the way you think it does. A normal reduction of calories for A POUND A WEEK is 500 calories. In no universe is that significant. You don’t suddenly start feeling like your starving and your body doesn’t shut down metabolic processes just because you omitted a muffin worth of calories at breakfast. You really are so fucking delusional. Not to mention, it’s thermogenically impossible for you to stop intaking energy and gain weight. It doesn’t slow to a crawl and stop. It spends a short waiting period to refill adipose lipids, and when it came out guess back to the normal rate. I more than understand survival instinct to eat when you stop eating as much. But you’re in control of your own desires.

Obese and morbidly obese people only have themselves and their lackadaisical care for their own health to blame. If it’s in your control, you either want something enough, or you make excuses.

Nah mate you’re delusional. If we’re talking the LOWEST BAR POSSIBLE: don’t be obese. It’s so simple to just intake less calories. We’re not saying lose body fat, get into shape, become an athlete, or 12% bf. Just literally set your bmi ( a bullshit measurement anyway) to AT MINIMUM overweight.

Yes it’s ludicrously trivial and requires you to just stop eating so much. The same fucking method vets have your dog do when they weigh too much.

As I said elsewhere, calories and consistency are 90%, everything else is to optimize your goal. And the vast majority of people are lazy morons who can’t stay consistent.

Okay. Dev goes into negative shoveling even more money and retaining the original development team into a product they already released to apologize. New expansion completely revamps the game and ignites hundreds of positive reviews and complete public opinion turnaround.

Now remind me when modern EA ever gave a game post release care. Most of their catalogue is just games they already released but with less features now so they can add it back in 4 years as a marketing ploy to be new. They aren’t even in the same league.

I’m talking about endogenous and exogenous hormones. Peptides, steroids, sarms and the like. But with training, recovery is always the most important factor for muscle growth with synthesis, so unless you have perfect conditions all the time (impossible for a natural) it’s better to optimize around recovery than being in the gym. Starting Strength is great for beginners like OP.

I’ve been doing a volume Bench Squat 5x5 Dead 1x5/intensity (start by doing heavy weight for sets of 5, when that’s too heavy do sets of 3, then down to 5 sets of 1, 3 sets of 1, a single max, then reset) 2 day split with one light day with band work to improve ligaments and neck work to avoid another herniated disc. I honestly consider this the best for naturals in both recovery and time, but with more exercises added in. I’m restricting to the main lifts for powerlifting competition, but adding accessories to focus more on triceps, or rack pulls, etc would be good. Since starting this a few months ago my squat has gone from a 1x5 315 squat to a 415 max and 325 5x5 as a 6’2 natural powerlifter (I’ve only been lifting seriously for 3 years and powerlifting for a year and a half, my trainer has been training for 15 years and hit a 610 deadlift naturally but now in his 30s with low 300 free test he takes TRT)

5x5s are great, Practical Programming is a good book to follow Starting Strength, I recommend reading Alex Leonidas’ Naturally Enhanced for a more hypertrophy approach. The Texas Program is good. Most of these are designed around the same concept of a 2 day full body one volume heavy the other intensity.

Also helps that if you’re eating protein from a whole foods perspective, an 8oz chicken breast is a lot of food for only ~380 calories. Same goes for all lean proteins and even the fatty kind. You can fit a whole lot more in for equal calories going at whole foods than eating a 1200 calorie muffin.

“According to a meta-analysis of several diet programs, calorie restriction was the primary driver of weight loss, followed by macronutrient composition.” It’s like your reading comprehension is designed to just find your own biases and accept them unequivocally. Cope.

That and fighting millions of years of evolutionary instinct screaming at you to eat everything you can when you start reducing calories in case you won’t eat again for a few days.

It’s only been MAYBE ~150 years that all classes of society had ready access to food.

Unless you take drugs, doing two or three full body workouts a week separated by 72 (for 2) or 48 (for 3) hours is far more optimal for protein synthesis operation. PPL and upper lower bro splits only work when you literally don’t have to worry about recovery (perfect T and other hormones).

But the rest of this is great advice and would recommend Starting Strength before 5x5.

Oh I don’t know, any respected dietician or nutritionist just telling you to focus on macronutrient balance to get the proper 500 calorie deficit from maintenance to lose 1 pound a week?

Or maybe https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18025815/

Or https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8017325/

Or https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/diets-weight-loss-carbohydrate-protein-fat/

Maybe stop looking to psuedo-science that just wants to sell you a product, meal plan, or supplement and just accept it’s very basic. This fucking thread article literally says he wants to develop and sell a drug to counteract fructose. Or maybe just maybe take some accountability and just enjoy fructose containing foods in a caloric moderation and boom you’re not obese. This is BASIC thermogenic energy management. 90% of a healthy diet is consistency in caloric intake. The rest regarding timing, macros, micros, food quality are all supplementary to reach your goals. But setting being NOT OBESE as the BARE MINIMUM GOAL, it’s so fucking easy to just reduce daily calories.

Self admittance that you are not taking personal control over it, causing your being underweight. When you become stressed you’re turning focus even more away from your diet, focusing instead on other issues, and begin unconsciously overeating. All the points leading to personal responsibility over your diet and the consequences of inconsistency.

Anyone struggling, and refusing to take the accountability to just flip a food container and check the amount of calories, is lazy. If you’re comfortable with your weight, fine that’s fair. But if you’re unhappy, dealing with health repercussions, and wish for something better: put the work in. This idea that society as a whole is obese because of fructose (a sugar found naturally in fruit) or any sugar is braindead and would come from the same people who fell for “Eggs are bad because they have cholesterol”. Uneducated, misinformed, and unwilling to learn or act, those are the issues. All solvable through personal growth and accountability, something sorely missing in this new cringe culture of being coddled. And in my experience/opinion, anyone unwilling to take their issues seriously and grow for themselves, aren’t my fucking concern and they could die obese for all I care.

My own anecdotal experience was being overweight after highschool due to a reduction in my activity but no change in intake. I picked up powerlifting as a hobby and began to explore data, books, and videos by well known industry members like Mark Rippetoe and Dr. Mike Israetel regarding both training and nutrition. Since then I’ve successfully managed my weight the way I need it for competition by calorie counting and tracking how my weight responds weekly. Take this year: I’m 6’2 and in January was ~230 wanted to bulk, by June was ~270 decided to cut, now I’m 242.

Objectively the only way to not be obese is calorie deficit management. This is basic thermogenic energy balance science and the only people who seem to not understand it are the psuedo-intellectuals here that have never been active or done a sport in their life.

Zzzzzzz. Cope.

Not true. Within an average day (pending weight and mass overall as well as heart rate) someone walking 15k+ steps a day could easily come close to matching their daily resting rate. An hour of exercise, yes trivial. But simply just not being sedentary will easily get you to needing 3500-4000 calories just to maintain. Of course that’s only 1000-1500 more than a man needs on average, and with how easily replaced it is by bad food choices, yes it could also seem trivial. But if maintaining consistency, it could be the difference between success and failure.

http://www.nutritionmd.org/nutrition_tips/nutrition_tips_understand_foods/carbs_versus.html

http://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/simple-carbohydrates-complex-carbohydrates#3

http://www.newhealthadvisor.com/What-Do-Complex-Carbohydrates-Break-Down-Into.html

Bottom line, be slightly active and you’re fine. Be sedentary and suffer the consequences of your own actions.

Tell people to own their own faults and if they want change look inward instead of for confirmation biased articles rooted in bad data: “erm no its not my fault I just have a thyroid problem and also my brain is telling me im hungry and I HAVE to listen and also um I just erm um”

Cope. Millions of people have fixed their weight issues and it wasn’t through anything but a controlled diet.

I literally powerlift. I bulked from 230 pounds to 270 within 6 months and cut back to 242 within another 4 by, wait for it, eating whole foods and counting my caloric intake tracked with my weight change twice a week. If you’re obese and don’t realize the inability to fix it is your own fault, you’re coping and desperate for any level of confirmation bias like this trash paper to make you feel better.

6’2, 18% bodyfat (maybe 24% at max weight), under no drug assistance beyond caffeine if you want to count it.

Nevermind Sumo wrestlers who eat a shit ton of rice and protein rich stews and beer. Average about 6000 calories a day and oh would you look there. Obese. (Spoiler, after they retire from the stable they usually end up losing all that weight because, oh, they stop eating 6000 calories a day). You people treat cico like it’s a theory and not just basic energy maintenance of the body.

Cope

Just because you are not actively counting, doesn’t mean you aren’t at maintenance or below. The vast majority of morons that are incapable of understanding basic thermogenics and the fact that if your body is fueled less than it needs it will draw from stored adipose lipids and if fed more than needed it goes back into storage, are just coping beyond anything.

Obesity is not caused by your desire to eat. It is caused by your inability to stop eating. End of discussion. Metabolism is a buzzword to describe people too lazy to understand basic concepts. Look in any gym and the people who maintain willpower to eat less and focus on energy intake are the quickest to achieve results. There are reasons that losers looking for the easy way to weight loss never receive longterm results. This isn’t a “well um yes you can gain or lose weight through calories” it’s literally the ONLY way. Even hormone imbalances only increase or decrease your need for intake. This is something understood since the Spartans who would eat less if they noticed any fat gain in their physiques. There’s a reason every single diet based in fact will tell you to spend 3 months in a deficit and 2-3 months in a ned maintenance, to establish the new baseline. This is a marathon not a sprint. You’re the only one disgracing “medical science” by trying to overcomplicate a very simple concept.

Objectively if we were to scale back enough, many people currently struggling would die. Excess is the only reason they’re still living. Think the rainforest and rain passing the canopy trees enough to still allow life below. Remove the mass amount of rain, that ecosystem suffers.

But I have to make bad analogies barely thought out to dunk on a perceived enemy without actually exploring the issue and root cause in full