Make that argument to the family members of people experiencing the genocide, I would imagine they will laugh in your face. These people are enduring unimaginable horrors, their children are being brutally murdered and libs keep telling them to suck it up because actually this is the lesser of evils.

It’s a pathetic fucking argument.

ok tough guy. Let me know when you’ve told a Palestinian that they are stupid for not voting democrat because Trump is going to murder their family even harder than Biden.

What are you even saying?

Your argument is essentially, “Hey I know democrats are committing a genocide against your people, but if you don’t vote for them republicans are going to genocide your people even harder”

Why should they believe democrats? The arguments you’re all making lack any sort of attempts to understand the people you’re talking about or the situation they are facing. Their families are being murdered every fucking day and Kamala couldn’t fucking stop herself from saying shit like “we’re going to have the most lethal army” and “israel has a right to defend itself”. I cannot imagine the emotions these people are dealing with and the fact that you are belittling them for not voting democrat is honestly disgusting.

This is how you lose elections. Trump may not have their best interest in mind, but he pretends to. He tells them what they want to hear.

Democrats don’t even pretend to care about regular folk and then wonder why they vote republican.

Imagine thinking “stop committing a genocide” is perfection.

Liberals are amazing creatures.

The response by so many people has been pathetic. Liberals are learning nothing.

Very well said, thanks for chiming it.

I’ve lived am extremely privileged life and have only just started engaging with this stuff but I’m feeling pretty hopeless. The Libs are firmly neo-liberal, the NDP don’t seem capable of any sort of positive messaging, and the Cons have nosedived into neo-nazism.

Local advocacy and education seems like the only way forward for progressive thinkers.

If I’m understanding your comment correctly we’re more or less on the same page.

My question is not a literal question but me pointing out the paradox sucking up to Israel to “win the election” and then blaming pro-palestine voters after they lose the election.

Ok you go say that to their faces. Tell them they should suck it up and vote for an administration that is funding a genocide against their people. Tell them they’re being “idealistic” when they speak out against a genocide.

Liberals are amazing.

You’re doing the exact same thing. You are refusing to acknowledge any criticism to the Harris campaign and blaming voters for the loss.

Misogyny absolutely played a role in this election and I do not want to downplay the racism and misogyny that Harris had to work against, but she ran a fucking awful campaign. She sucked up to fascists, ignored her base, and belittled the concerns pro-palestine protestors.

I’m speaking now.

This is simply not true.

https://forward.com/news/672886/american-jews-israel-arms-embargo-poll/

https://cepr.net/press-release/poll-majority-of-americans-say-biden-should-halt-weapons-shipments-to-israel/

I’m not American and you didn’t answer my question.

If pro-palestinian one issue voters lost Kamala the election, why didn’t she appease them? Why are the voters to blame and not the democrats?

sick bro

they ask Republicans to decide which issues are important

I love this. They are so reactionary and seem almost incapable of counter messaging. I say almost because they managed it once with the tarrifs are sales tax response.

Downvotes on this comment are delusional.

The only candidate in this election with a positive approval rating was the progressive guy (Tim Walz). Bernie Sanders and AOC are two of the most popular politicians around right now and both of them are very progressive. Obama won a historic election by running a progressive campaign. Andy Beshear won the gubernatorial election in fucking Kentucky with a pro-trans progressive message and is an extremely popular governor.

Liberals refuse to even pay lip service to the idea that regular people support progressive policy.

What are you saying then?

I think leftists in Canada need to actively court the right.

Not in the way the democrats did by actively pivoting right, but by acknowledging their concerns, validating their beliefs that the liberals fucking suck, and trying to direct their frustration towards actual solutions, not a nazi like PP.

idk. It seems fucking stupid but I don’t know what other hope we have.

Also, “most lethal military in the world”.

I’m not commenting on the ethics of voting for Harris. I’m commenting on the hordes of people on lemmy and other social networks who were actively insulting anyone who expressed uncertainty in voting for Kamala. Actively insulting people who want to be on your side but are finding it difficult to support someone who is part of an administration that is actively funding a genocide.

Those people, in my opinion, pushed voters away by completely ignoring their concerns and telling them they are fucking stupid if they don’t vote democrat. It’s a brain dead strategy and mirrors the democrats campaign strategy, which categorically failed.

If Kamala lost the election because she wasn’t in support of Palestine then why didn’t she just support Palestine?