Divorce proceedings happens to be a time in which domestic abuse tends to spike. So it’s actually a pretty apt description.

I think the heart of the difference between our views from what I’ve been able to understand from you is this. You view biological differences between men and women as having a sufficient enough reason to support gender roles if in the event the capability of a couple is known.

I view the biological differences as something that should only be considered from a health perspective I.e. crash test dummy’s designed for men and ones designed for women to ensure proper safety testing.

For me the biological differences shouldn’t be considered whether we know a couple’s capabilities or not. Humans are an extremely varied species with lots of overlap between women and men.

There are women who are tall and muscular and men who are short and skinny. There are men who are tall and skinny and women who are short and muscular.

Ultimately the biggest factor is lifestyle and not genetics. A female firefighter could absolutely out strength many males even if she’s short because she works out regularly.

In short I don’t think biological differences are significant enough to be taken into actual consideration outside of specific circumstances like described above. While you as I understand it do believe them to be significant enough a factor to be given consideration if the differences between a couple are known.

I was not angry with my original reply, it could jot in anyway be reasonably taken as angry. I am however a bit frustrated now, in particular with your response to me. To quote what you said,

“Somehow this convo became about humans being hunters and what not. And not the original conversation about dishes and dragons.”

To also quote you’re first comment you said,

“Isn’t this how we function evolutionarily? Like in a hunter and gatherers society, men were predominantly the ones required to do “one-hit” labour like hunting, whereas women were predominantly the ones doing “continual” labour like gathering food.”

You are the one who brought it up. Saying it “somehow” came up like you did is disingenuous and implies my argument is unrelated and can therefore be dismissed.

That is what is now making me a bit frustrated and why I felt it necessary to clear up the way you misconstrued things in your reply to me.

You are free to not respond if you do not want to. If you don’t want to continue I will respect that.

I also want to make sure that everyone reading this understands that them not replying or wanting to end the discussion should not be taken to mean anything one way or another.

Humans were persistence hunters which requires endurance. Lots of strength isn’t really necessary when the prey has exhausted itself.

Totally agree. No one ever said they were smart long term thinkers. Late stage capitalism doesn’t exactly reward that kind of thinking after all.

Maybe that’s why they’re so invested in AI so they don’t have to worry about relying on the “poors” in their bunkers.

Look up trip wire troops and you’ll understand.

I can recommend a Belle of the Ranch video explaining how the EU is looking at possibly raising an EU army of 100,000. Coincidentally the number of US troops stationed in the EU is about 100,000.

Edit added the link - https://youtu.be/Wi-k7disQSc

Ok so the question I replied to was essentially is it safe for kids under 18. The answer is yes.

In terms of consent. Kids cannot just consent and then be given HRT. Parents of kids cannot just consent and then have their kids put on HRT. Doctors cannot just consent and put kids on HRT.

There is a process in which kids are thoroughly assessed and then with parental consent put on puberty blockers for 1-2 years maximum. Puberty blockers are not HRT to be clear. They are also safe and the kids are monitored by doctors and have regular check ups and psychiatric evaluations. If the children persist by the end of the 1-2 year observation period they are then, with consent from all parties put onto HRT.

The whole process is very thorough to ensure that kids who aren’t actually trans don’t get put on HRT. Consent by the parents, kids and doctors is required throughout the entire process.

This isn’t simple self report and get medicated it is a very thorough process.

Please do a basic google search. This info isn’t difficult to find.

HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) is not some unnatural medication treatment. It’s literally just estrogen or testosterone depending on which gender is being transitioned to. Everyone has testosterone and estrogen. Kids go through puberty as a normal part of growing up.

Typical puberty is not dangerous and HRT causes the same kind of puberty meaning it’s not dangerous

HRT induced puberty is the exact same as typical puberty.

HRT ie Hormone replacement therapy makes trans people sterile. Also I previously that there have not been credible reports what you have cited are not credible. You yourself acknowledge in your previous comment that what you referenced was based on rumours. Im also willing to bet that those rumours were mostly spread by cis people as there is no credible evidence of these people you mentioned being secretly cis.

No cis person is going to go through the extensive often strenuous process to get on hormones. Which cause sterility as well as physical changes to their body just so that they can rape/abuse women. That is simply not the case. Also whether the crime was committed before or after transition doesn’t matter because ultimately transitioning as a trans person is about identity, not action.

The action is bad but is ultimately unrelated to said persons identity. A cereal killer can be gay but that doesn’t mean that their gayness is contingent or even because of their cereal killer actions. It’s simply part of their identity a coincidence essentially.

Ok so simply put trans people are people which means there will be bad and good people same with cis people. Just because a trans person did a bad thing doesn’t mean they aren’t still the gender they identify as or that they’re secretly cis.

I’m not excusing their actions but simply saying that trans people are still the gender they identify as regardless of their actions just like how gay men are still gay if they do bad things. It’s a matter of identity rather than action.

Another thing to add is that cis women also abuse and rape other women but they don’t get put in men’s prisons right? Trans women are women and should be placed in the prison that matches their gender.

I don’t believe there are any because generally speaking people don’t need to claim to be trans to do so. As I’ve said previously, a sign on a door is not a magic barrier, if someone wants to commit abuse of any kind they can just walk in and do that. All that this anti-trans bathroom etc stuff does is give people a legal pass to challenge a persons cis-ness and harass them that way regardless of if they are actually trans or not.

That is the real concern and there have already been credible reports of this harassment happening to people. Meanwhile there hasn’t been any credible reports of cis people pretending to be trans to abuse people.

Hey so I watched a video that really explains all this really well and figured I’d share it with you. For the record I do think our discussion was fruitful and amicable and that you did actually read what I said.

Anyways here’s the link https://youtu.be/BRg3t7KINzw

I used the stalls that are often in there. Also not every trans woman has that between her legs. Surgery is relatively commonly undergone so there would be no way to tell to the point even gynaecologists assume a person is cis when they’re actually trans unless told before hand.

Regardless I have never had a cis woman be uncomfortable around me in any woman’s space not just change rooms. My experience is not an outlier as I have known many trans women who have used women spaces without issue.

The answer is yes.

I am a transgender woman. I look like a woman, I think like a woman, I have the hormones of a woman, I have experienced the misogyny that women experience, I have used women’s washrooms and change rooms and other spaces for a decade at this point without issue, I have used these spaces along side cis women who knew that I am trans and cis women who didn’t know. There has never been an issue because I am a woman who uses those spaces like any other. I have been socialized like a woman, I feel like a woman, I identify as a woman.

Am I a woman?

Please stop dodging the question. It’s a simple yes or no question that is fundamental to the discussion of trans people’s right to live as they are equally to cis people of the same gender.

The vast majority of science going back to pre-WWII says the answer is yes.

Evidence through link.

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

Knowing now that the scientific consensus is yes, do you believe that trans women are women?

You didn’t answer the question. Do you believe that trans women are women, yes or no ?