And that’s the problem. It’s not universal, and at the end of the day, that’s why it differs for me. Something that someone can tie to “AFAB socialization” could easily apply to AMAB people in a lot of instances, for example. My main issue with the “AFAB/AMAB” shit is that it’s used to create a new binary, and enables people to misgender non-binary people because they see non-binary as “cis+” or something like that. As a non-binary person who explicitly wants nothing to do with the notion that I could be cis, this is what gets me the most. I assume bad faith in a lot of people, so anyone who asks me “AMAB or AFAB? I just want to know your socialization!”, yeah I don’t trust them either.

There is no universal “AFAB experience”, especially in relation to being trans. A trans man and a cis woman are both AFAB, but their experiences in relation to that fact are wildly different. I also don’t conflate assigned sex at birth with experience (to a large degree) and personality (to no degree at all). I think, depending on how you transition, this is less so about identifying with being “AFAB” and more so about identifying with transmasculine (if you identify with that term), but I’m not one to speak on your experience and how that manifests for you, so correct me if I’m wrong.

And here’s the problem. I’m dismissing their point yes, but I do the same thing as you. I participate in a lot of spaces with transfeminine people myself, including binary trans women and transfeminine non-binary people like me. This is from a pragmatic perspective, though. If I want to learn more about feminizing effects of estrogen, then talking to AFAB trans people won’t be very helpful in comparison to talking to AMAB trans people about it.

This aspect of relating to trans people who share your assigned sex has nothing to even do with my initial response to their original comment. It was about the problematic description of “socialization”. I don’t argue that assigned sex at birth is irrelevant to socialization myself. I argue that it’s abused with transphobic intentions. As a matter of fact, the entirety of my post was to emphasize that people pry about assigned sex all the time in irrelevant matters. Funnily enough, in my original post, I didn’t even mention socialization. There is a major difference between saying “I want to interact with fellow AMAB trans people to relate my experience transitioning better” and doing things like I’ve mentioned in the post like “I want to ask enbies their assigned sex and intrude on their personal boundaries because I’m enbyphobic and don’t accept them for who they are.”, but people still get upset over this.

It’s very apparent that, even non-binary people themselves, engage in the “misgendering but woke” shit a lot. There are non-binary people who will separate non-binary people by assigned sex at birth, and this isn’t jack shit to do with socialization either. They do it because of internalized enbyphobia that usually comes with a side of sexism as well.

If you want to make your assigned sex at birth a part of who you are, I won’t stop you, but to me, I’m not comfortable doing it. Being comfortable with your assigned sex is literally just what being cis is, and I’m not even remotely cis.

That’s another thing, though. Someone could have been assigned male at birth and be a non-binary woman too. You don’t need to make it a point to mention your assigned sex at birth to emphasize how you are a non-binary woman, as the label is applicable to non-binary people regardless of assigned sex at birth. Also, how society treats you, once again, is not explicitly because you were assigned female at birth. It’s because you present in a way that indicates to society that you are a woman in their eyes. Like, I understand what you’re coming from, but, in my view, it’s incredibly problematic to conflate the factor of you being “AFAB” with things that are not particularly relevant to it.

It is semantic, yes. I disagree on “AMAB” and “socialized male” being interchangeable, and like I said, nothing is really universal in that context either. Different AMAB individuals get socialized differently, even in the context of gender, especially in relation to their circumstances in other ways.

What you’re doing is the “socialization” argument here. Socialization isn’t universal on the basis of assigned sex at birth. Also, I don’t “disregard” it wholly. I just take it at face value. Assigned sex at birth is literally just that: assigned sex at birth, and I’ve even emphasized things like transition journey being relative to my assigned sex at birth with content like the very first bullet point in the post. It truly is just an event.

“Socialized male” ≠ AMAB

“Having a penis” ≠ AMAB

“Presenting masculine” ≠ AMAB

I could go on and on.

I hope your name is Jennifer.

If not, hopefully a Jennifer gave you the pass.

Brandon made me think of:

Thank you for understanding.

I misread the word “tyranny” there 😳

It really strikes me as odd that some people think “transition wasn’t right for me, so therefore, it’s right for nobody!” is a valid argument.

I’d go as far to say that I find it so hard to believe that this argument is upheld in good faith to a point where I think most people who assert it know it makes no sense but feel the need to grasp at any straws they can to be transphobic.

It’s almost as if something called a “case-by-case basis” exists, but these people refuse to acknowledge it.

I even brought up the amount of satisfied post-transition trans people with my grandfather who has an obsession with sending me articles by transphobic detransitioners (so he can use the whole “take it from someone who actually did it: transition is wrong!” argument), to which he responds:

Any trans person who says their satisfied with their lives post-transition is “lying” to not get targeted by the “liberal media”.

What gets me the most about people like my grandparents is that he simultaneously believes that transphobes like him are a silent majority to a point where he argues that everyone “secretly” agrees with his views on trans people, but he also wants to showcase a victim complex saying that people with his views are massively shunned by society when he expresses said views.

Make it make sense.

we don’t talk much anymore…

“much”

Damn! You’re better than I am. I’d tell someone like that who is my “friend” to get as far away from me as possible.

As a certified pickle lover and a transfem on spiro at that, you better watch yourself.

(I unironically believe in pickle supremacy. They’re the best vegetable, and they belong on everything. Yes, including pizza.)

God does things to old men, too

Immediately read “ED” to me, but I hope I’m not weird for assuming that. Hehe.

Fair point, but I usually like to discern those two. I made this post in reference to a forum debate I got into with viciously transphobic 30 to 50 something cisgender conservative men who are outright insulting me on the basis of me being trans. I’m not trying to change their minds. I’m just trying to make them look more foolish than they already make themselves look. I owe no good faith to disrespectful people like that. Their arguments are all emotionally charged and stem from the “trans people are icky” type of shit, so it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

:^)

You’re assuming that the intention is to change their minds.

It’s not.

Them when Siamese twins get separated (they’re undoing what God did):

I need people to adopt this mindset NOW. Everybody has inherent respect that I give them on the basis of simply existing, but one major fuck up, and I throw it all away.

Complete alleviation of all gender dysphoria.

As a vegoon, it’s the diet. The diet most likely killed her.

Her diet wasn’t fucked up because of veganism itself. It was fucked up because of the way she approached eating plant-based.