The fediverse is already a reaction which is intentionally anti-corporate. Most of us are here because we don’t want another Twitter or Reddit or Instagram or Facebook or whatever.
Considering how Google killed XMPP, by the time the harm was done, it was too late to exclude them.
The fediverse is not for corporates. Keep them out.
While I understand that sentiment, I don’t think we should be thinking of this from the standpoint of accepting or rejecting corporations, but rather from the standpoint of accepting or rejecting the people using the platform in question. Yeah, Meta sucks, but in defederating preemptively, we would basically be denying people from the Fediverse just because of which platform they choose to use, which I think goes against it’s open nature.
As for the bit about Embrace Extend Extinguish, I believe the Fediverse is too strong for that to work. Worst case, Threads becomes the de-facto, and we’re just back to where we are now with Threads taking the place of Twitter, and the Fediverse being the option for those looking for something better. Except I think people would actually be more willing to jump to the Fediverse since they would have more exposure to it through Threads.
I agree, and those lessons have helped us build something that is immune to EEE and other forms of enshitification. I wholeheartedly believe if we let them join the Fediverse, there isn’t really anything they could do to ruin it.
EEE wouldn’t be effective, they can’t collect any more data than they could by just scraping the public posts on the Fediverse, and if it becomes a cesspool like Twitter, then we handle it the same way we would a Mastodon instance that becomes a cesspool and defederate (those are the only valid things I could think of, but if you have any more I’m not considering, let me know.)
But since all we can do is speculate around what they MIGHT do, we shouldn’t immediately decide to defederate a bunch of new people just because of said speculation.
The people using Instagram/Facebook aren’t people who are looking for a platform to browse the Fediverse, at least not the majority. The majority of users there are people who don’t even know the Fediverse exists.
Meta isn’t looking to join the Fediverse or provide some kind of service to their users, they are looking for business opportunities. They are looking for money, advertising space, free content. Videos and memes were stolen from outside sources into Facebook for years and they still haven’t addressed it - there isn’t even an option to link to the source outside of copying the link directly into the post.
Meta has no goodwill whatsoever. The ONLY things they are looking for are business opportunities. More people to milk for money, and more ways to do it. They are not a new player in the internet scene, they have always been against social interest from the very first changes they made to Facebook, and they are still that same company under the same leadership.
Not defederating from Threads is choosing to water down the content in the instance’s “all” section, in order to have an instance with literally 100x the size of the entire Fediverse, which can at best produce memes and at worst stand against the entire reason anyone even made an instance in the first place.
TL;DR I support defederating from Threads. And I write all of this while considering your post to be good - your opinion makes sense to me, I just don’t agree with you. And I don’t agree with you because I watched FB and Reddit turn to shit simply because they had too few people in power. Lemmy can survive this problem because there are just too many people in power to abuse this system in the same way.
I’m all for defederating corporations.
The fediverse is already a reaction which is intentionally anti-corporate. Most of us are here because we don’t want another Twitter or Reddit or Instagram or Facebook or whatever.
Considering how Google killed XMPP, by the time the harm was done, it was too late to exclude them.
The fediverse is not for corporates. Keep them out.
While I understand that sentiment, I don’t think we should be thinking of this from the standpoint of accepting or rejecting corporations, but rather from the standpoint of accepting or rejecting the people using the platform in question. Yeah, Meta sucks, but in defederating preemptively, we would basically be denying people from the Fediverse just because of which platform they choose to use, which I think goes against it’s open nature.
As for the bit about Embrace Extend Extinguish, I believe the Fediverse is too strong for that to work. Worst case, Threads becomes the de-facto, and we’re just back to where we are now with Threads taking the place of Twitter, and the Fediverse being the option for those looking for something better. Except I think people would actually be more willing to jump to the Fediverse since they would have more exposure to it through Threads.
The reason the fediverse is strong is because of lessons learnt from 10+ years of EEE and enshittification by corporate interests.
I agree, and those lessons have helped us build something that is immune to EEE and other forms of enshitification. I wholeheartedly believe if we let them join the Fediverse, there isn’t really anything they could do to ruin it.
EEE wouldn’t be effective, they can’t collect any more data than they could by just scraping the public posts on the Fediverse, and if it becomes a cesspool like Twitter, then we handle it the same way we would a Mastodon instance that becomes a cesspool and defederate (those are the only valid things I could think of, but if you have any more I’m not considering, let me know.)
But since all we can do is speculate around what they MIGHT do, we shouldn’t immediately decide to defederate a bunch of new people just because of said speculation.
The people using Instagram/Facebook aren’t people who are looking for a platform to browse the Fediverse, at least not the majority. The majority of users there are people who don’t even know the Fediverse exists.
Meta isn’t looking to join the Fediverse or provide some kind of service to their users, they are looking for business opportunities. They are looking for money, advertising space, free content. Videos and memes were stolen from outside sources into Facebook for years and they still haven’t addressed it - there isn’t even an option to link to the source outside of copying the link directly into the post.
Meta has no goodwill whatsoever. The ONLY things they are looking for are business opportunities. More people to milk for money, and more ways to do it. They are not a new player in the internet scene, they have always been against social interest from the very first changes they made to Facebook, and they are still that same company under the same leadership.
Not defederating from Threads is choosing to water down the content in the instance’s “all” section, in order to have an instance with literally 100x the size of the entire Fediverse, which can at best produce memes and at worst stand against the entire reason anyone even made an instance in the first place.
TL;DR I support defederating from Threads. And I write all of this while considering your post to be good - your opinion makes sense to me, I just don’t agree with you. And I don’t agree with you because I watched FB and Reddit turn to shit simply because they had too few people in power. Lemmy can survive this problem because there are just too many people in power to abuse this system in the same way.