Too many people are confusing the two. Whenever lemmy.ml or its devs do something stupid, people go “Lemmy is getting worse and worse,” or “I’m leaving Lemmy,” or worse, “I’m leaving for Beehaw.”

If you’re using Beehaw, then you’re using Lemmy. Lemmy is the software these instances run on. If you don’t like lemmy.ml, join another instances that have rules that match your philosophy. Some instance hosts authoritarian or fascist shit? Turn to another Lemmy instance. Lemmy.ml is not even the biggest instance. People who just joined and are unfamiliar with the platform will just think the entire Lemmyverse is run by autocratic admins if we don’t get our terminology right.

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    Lemmy feels as a aplha/beta product that we ar all testing right now. Nothing wrong with that, in fact, I like Lemmy more then Reddit. But you cannot expect everyone to love it right now.

    For Reddit its clear: you sign up, you search for a community and you subscribe.

    Here, you sign up (if you don’t get the spinning wheel). You search for a community. Oh, it is on another instance. What is a instance? Then you browse and see different Lemmy websites. You get confused, you heard something about Fediverse but what is it?

    Also, there is no karma what important is for many users. Mod tools are extremly limited and all the apps you can use on mobile are in alpha/beta/in development.

    There should be a easy to understand welcome page upon sign-up and I think this needs to be prioritized if we want to welcome (more) mainstream users. The post that explains how Lemmy works on c/lemmyworld doesn’t cut it.

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      Karma is important? The only “use” for it is to do what? users farm it so adding karma or something similar would just make this place worse

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        • it can be used to differentiate troll accounts from people that make generally liked comments
        • it gives users a rush and encourages participation
        • it can help with ranking

        Now, that said, there are ways to game those things too, but that’s the concept and some of the bigger benefits.

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          I still receive PMs every once in a while from random people on Reddit thanking me for comments that I’ve posted years ago. Those comments have less than 20 karma combined. I also have a comment saying “Nice.” which contributes nothing and is sitting at almost 3000. Karma is meaningless.

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    I actually haven’t seen much mention of tankies on any Lemmy except as a joking reference here or there. I’m on lemmy.ml and the signup there said explicitly that it is a free software community. The signup had no particular reference to other politics, though I have no idea what is present in the admins’ minds. There is also lemmygrad.ml which is explicitly socialist.

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      If you haven’t seen tankies denying genocide and/or saying the victims brought it on themselves, then, I suspect you haven’t been looking very far in the comments of the news community there, to be fair. There are a lot of posters who will defend Russia, China, Syria etc all day long. All their crimes are apparently made up by “western media”, (as if Jimmy Dore’s basement isn’t in the west.)

      Fortunately, they’re getting super buttmad lately at being downvoted so much.

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    I like the sh.itjust.works lemmy because of the name.

    Also, apparently they’re run with 99% renewable energy which is pretty cool.

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      in the past 10 minutes i have had so many mixed emotions towards you.

      I have come across your comments about 7 times and each time I either feel like fking you up or giving you a hug.

      It’s interesting how opinions of different people may differ or align depending on the context. Wars don’t really matter if you think about it this way…

      I propose a truce

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    Just a remark: “Whenever lemmy.ml or its devs do something stupid” admins or lemmy.ml ARE the devs of lemmy software. Moreover, they developed lemmy because they where thrown out of reddit for did something “stupid”.

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      I just had a look at Lemmy’s GitHub. Of the web interface alone, the second biggest contributor only joined two weeks ago. And there are many others. Those are new developers. So in essence: lemmy.ml admins are some of the software developers and are actually now in the minority, unless I missed something very obvious.

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        This might be a stupid question, so forgive me. Who controls what happens to the actual software? Like, if a hundred great ideas get added to the GitHub, who controls which ones make it into the next version of Lemmy?

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          Lemmy.ml devs own the repo, it’s just licensed as open source software under the GNU AFFERO GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE. You can read the license in the repo files. So you can fork off it and run your own instance. If you go to GitHub.com/LemmyNet you see the two people who are members of the project, with the accounts, both have Fidel Castro avatars.

          Personally I think having a bunch of socialists run the software, is by definition the best way to have it avoid corporate interests.

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          If the main project start doing something stupid, other devs can just fork the project as a new lemmy project with a new kind of government of how codes are merged into the project.

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        my signup because this all probably is going to China.

        China is sophisticated enough that it can vacuum up all the information it wants about without any involvement of a Lemmy.lm admin.

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        Leninist. Marxist Leninist is largely an oxymoron as Lenin just sort of ignored a lot of core things Marx discussed. Specifically going against many of them. There are many different Marxism derived ideologies that aren’t ML and don’t sympathize or apologize for the atrocities of ML or capitalist regimes. Please don’t lump them all together.

        As far as Leninist go. I agree with you 💯% though.

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            When it comes to physics Einstein has yet to be proven wrong for just about anything. When it came to politics and human nature. Einstein was not known to be any great judge. And even then. That’s feinting praise. Einstein knew how to throw shade.

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      Well, how do you feel about the Chinese government and the North Korean one? Good? Hopeful they expand? They do.

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      They prevent incoming traffic from kbin. Sp, only leach kbin’s contents, but not sharing back.

      Some users accused developers as being tankies. Not sure how true this is.

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        Oh they’re absolutely tankies, dessalines website is crystal clear on that. To me this is simply a test of the fediverse. If it works as intended, the devs political orientation shouldn’t matter. We’ll see.

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          Nobody knows for sure, but my guess is they blocked any request with “Bot” in the header, and blocked the “KbinBot” by accident.

          Just a guess though.