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ylai@lemmy.ml to Fuck Cars@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2年前

People Hate the Idea of Car-Free Cities—Until They Live in One

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People Hate the Idea of Car-Free Cities—Until They Live in One

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ylai@lemmy.ml to Fuck Cars@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2年前
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Removing cars from urban areas means lower carbon emissions, less air pollution, and fewer road traffic accidents. So why are residents so resistant?
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      just a friendly heads up, I think you misgendered the person you were referring to.

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        oh shit! i feel like an asshole. my bad, i am fixing it

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        no, saying skill issue to people who aren’t able to bike up steep hills when there are other options such as pedal assist is unhelpful and ableist. it doesn’t take being a ‘thinker’ to deduce that.

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            jesus-christ

            Why double down on this of all things? It’s not even necessarily about a medical condition (but it’s that too, for many of us it’s not a skill issue but a heart and lung issue), it’s about the fact that biking up a hill can be fucking hard and I wouldn’t begrudge anyone for not wanting to do it all the time living in a hilly city, let alone if they’re trying to get home after working all day and are dead tired. The person who you were first responding to, who was asking in good faith from everything I can tell, also said “how do elders deal with what other citizens would take for granted in terms of mobility?” You completely disregarded that. Would you tell your 80 year old grandparent just to bike harder in their hilly city? This is a totally legitimate concern and responding “skill issue, just bike harder” really is heading into some ableist territory.

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              Why double down on this of all things?

              because im not being ableist and “hills exist therefore bikes are impossible” is fucking carbrain bullshit

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                Good thing that’s not what they’re saying

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            “obviously the exceptions that make it so my comments aren’t fitting and showcase ableism don’t count. Everyone know that. You are the stupid one. I have depicted myself as the streamer for a third time to hammer this home.”

            The initial question is about those who are too physically unfit to scale a steep hill. Responding with “skill issue” is ableist specifically because we’re talking about the “exception”

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                what about people with eating disorders, what about people with depression? seriously think about what you’re saying

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                How do elders deal with …

                Skill issue.

                Being elderly or physically handicapped is not a question of “being out of shape”.

                Also your dismissal of the fact that overweight people exist and also need to get around is indicative of a poor understanding of good urban planning.

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        PIGPOOPBALLS

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          pigpoop

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