• Deckweiss@lemmy.world
    1462·
    10 个月前

    Don’t panic, thats just me running it on PC, laptop, worklaptop, pinenote, pinephone, steamdeck and in multiple VMs for experimentation. (and don’t forget my randomized fingerprinting setup in the browser)

    • Grangle1@lemm.ee
      23·
      10 个月前

      Was gonna ask if this stat included the Steam Deck, as that’s also accounting for the vast majority of Linux gaming numbers. Whether it does include the Deck or not, it’s a nice rise, but all the better if it doesn’t include the Deck. I wonder if the popularity of using Linux on the Raspberry Pi is helping too.

      • SuperIce@lemmy.worldEnglish
        19·
        10 个月前

        How many people are reading blogs on their steam decks though? I don’t think it’s having much of an effect for statcounter

        • Grangle1@lemm.ee
          11·
          10 个月前

          You never know, given the Deck has desktop mode. That said, still is a good thing with or without the Deck bolstering the numbers.

      • Deckweiss@lemmy.world
        3·
        10 个月前

        Not great tbh. But I made it work for my usecase somewhat.

        As a huge tinkerer I like it over the Remarkable2 which I had before and which was a huge pain to customize.

        But I wouldn’t recommend it to normal people.

  • njordomir@lemmy.world
    1072·
    10 个月前

    With MS enshitifying Windows at an ever increasing pace and the hard work of open source developers, volunteers, advocates, to make Linux better and more approachable, I won’t be surprised at all to see that percentage move up.

    “You mean its free and doesn’t try to sell me other products the whole time I’m using it?”

    • Aurix@lemmy.world
      62·
      10 个月前

      There is the psychological factor that Windows behaves more like malware with their forced full screen overlays to shove the Edge into your ass. Over and over again. Microsoft doesn’t take No for an answer like an abusive partner.

      • njordomir@lemmy.world
        21·
        10 个月前

        You put words to the feeling I get whenever I turn on my work PC. It has relatively little to do with my actual work. It’s the dread of the psychological abuse of everything asking me to update, upgrade, and look at how cool our AI is, try all of our other products, share your opinion, etc. etc. etc. I would be twice as productive if they let me BYOOS (bring your own OS) and if my day to day tools were Linux compatible. There are best practices for this kind of thing, but many of the most “reputable” tech companies willingly disregard them in favor of mind games and dark psychology.

    • FoxBJK@midwest.socialEnglish
      132·
      10 个月前

      And Microsoft keeps enshitifying Windows because they know they can get away with it. So many businesses are backed into a corner and have essential parts of their business that are only compatible with Microsoft’s tech. They can’t switch, they won’t even entertain the idea (much less the time/energy required to test it out). The folks at Microsoft know they’ve won. I won’t be surprised when they make Windows 12’s compatibility even more egregious than 11’s.

  • Eugenia@lemmy.mlEnglish
    71·
    10 个月前

    Linux also surpassed 10% in my country, Greece (10.72%).

    I prepared a couple of old laptops I had around recently, to gift to my niece and cousin, and I put Debian with XFce in both of them. Worked great. And I think that’s why Linux is big in Greece. Consider that when someone buys a car here, they use it until the end of its life. Very rarely they sell cars to get something new. The average car is 15 years old in Greece. I think that’s the deal with old laptops and computers too: people try to extend the lives of their machines.

  • pyre@lemmy.world
    563·
    10 个月前

    on an unrelated note, people who squeeze in what os they use to every conversation also rises to 4%.

      • EatATaco@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        10 个月前

        Is equating Linux users to vegans a thing? I came to the conclusion (I thought) on my own…but now reading this here I’m questioning that conclusion

        • ResoluteCatnap@lemmy.mlEnglish
          12·
          10 个月前

          “how do you know someone [does crossfit, is vegan, uses linux]”

          “They’ll tell you”

          It’s a fairly common joke and seems to get stapled onto any lifestyle choice that someone likes to talk about

          • elucubra@sopuli.xyz
            32·
            10 个月前

            Linux users are like vegetarians Arch users like vegans. One is a dietary choice, the other a cult.

        • freedumb@programming.dev
          93·
          10 个月前

          It’s a big thing because it’s much easier to make fun of an objectively better lifestyle choice (avoiding meat or Microsoft etc.) than it is to try and argue against it. Especially because that would force people to question their own behaviour and that can be difficult and hurtful.

          • pyre@lemmy.world
            3·
            10 个月前

            nah it’s just a reputation because people who make these choices usually try to spread the word, but sometimes it becomes perceived as obnoxious. vegans just got a bad reputation because it was relatively early internet days, i haven’t seen vegans being as obnoxious as weed smokers, for example.

            now, weed smoking is objectively not a better lifestyle choice but i think they’re much much worse than vegans ever were. has nothing to do with arguing against things, not that I would argue against veganism anyway; i admire the choice.

          • Artemis_Mystique@lemmy.ml
            2·
            10 个月前

            hey I try to be vegan for software, but a moderate and balanced diet is the objectively better lifestyle choice than forcing beans and grass down your throat, and producing enough methane to power 2 dutch ovens.(I am from a predominantly vegetarian culture, most of our meat dishes have only 10% meat in them, which I think is a good enough amount)

          • EatATaco@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            10 个月前

            It’s not making fun of the lifestyle, it’s the the fact that people who partake in these things seemingly bring it up for no reason.

            But honestly I can’t remember the last time a vegan brought up being a vegan for no reason. While here on lemmy it seems every opportunity someone has to claim Linux superiority, no matter how weak, they have to let everyone know how “objectively better” they are.

            • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
              1·
              10 个月前

              I’m vegan and I hate bringing it up out of any context. Obviously there’s context here since we’re talking about it.

              Hell I hate even saying it at a restaurant. Get weird looks ordering pizza without cheese when everyone else is getting mozz sticks and wings. Sure I could get a salad, but have you ever had salad at a pizza place? Fucking horrid. And only oil and vinegar to slide it down your throat? Ugh.

    • nyctre@lemmy.world
      152·
      10 个月前

      I know it’s a joke, but where did you get that number? If it’s at 3% in January and 4% in February. Either it’s a flat 1% increase/month or an increase of 33%. How else can it be interpreted?

      • gun@lemmy.ml
        171·
        10 个月前

        How else can it be interpreted?

        Exponential increase that has been slow for decades, but is just now starting to ramp up?

        • nyctre@lemmy.world
          7·
          10 个月前

          Sure, but the question was how they got to the number. If it was a random big number, then fine, that answers my question, but I was just wondering if there was a reason behind it. Usually when people make that joke they just purposefully misinterpret the trend which is why I went for the 1% or 33%

      • jol@discuss.tchncs.de
        14·
        10 个月前

        From the dephs of my ass. But basically it’s been around 2% for decades, then it went from 3 to 4% in a matter of months, so it’s accelerating exponentially very quickly!

        You can do funny things with statistics if you just use the wrong fitness function.

    • wiki_me@lemmy.mlEnglish
      2·
      10 个月前

      You can download a csv of the market share from 2009, it shows it reached 3% for the first time in jun 2023, there might be some kind of rapid growth in popularity here.

  • jfx@discuss.tchncs.de
    5611·
    10 个月前

    How on earth can people stand using Windows full time? Everything I’m on a Microsoft product I feel claustrophobic!

    • BitingChaos@lemmy.worldEnglish
      211·
      10 个月前

      Uh, most apps are still for Windows. That’s why so many people use it.

      If you tell someone to use an alternative OS, but then they are left on their own to run alternative versions of apps that don’t work the same, forced to give up features they are use to, or run dozens of different programs through Wine or Proton or emulation or virtualization or whatever, JUST BECAUSE “Microsoft bad”, they’re going to laugh at you and go right back to Windows.

      It’s taken Linux 30(?) years to make it to 4%, and a lot of that is recent because of games. It’s still a niche platform.

      • smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de
        1·
        10 个月前

        Maybe. But this does not change the fact that managing Windows is so much pain even if some of clients I manage computers for have Windows because of the software like Adobe, I think every day how good it would be to get rid of it.

      • Dragon_Titan@lemmy.world
        1·
        10 个月前

        Create an ‘average user’ friendly OS. Similar to ElementaryOS but more easier.

        The GUI is elegant and its easy to download apps(applications).

        For medium to heavy users, have a developer or advance mode.

          • erwan@lemmy.ml
            2·
            10 个月前

            Another distribution doesn’t mean segregation. Diversity and compatibility is the strength of Linux.

            Yes it comes with a small cost, but without it Linux wouldn’t have the success it has today.

        • wewbull@feddit.ukEnglish
          4·
          10 个月前

          PopOS, Mint, Ubuntu. All have that mission.

          Honestly I’m at a bit of a loss what people think needs to become simpler.

          • InternetUser2012@midwest.social
            3·
            10 个月前

            The people hating on it are either shills or people that tried linux 10 years ago and it wouldn’t run their game so they’ll talk shit. I’ve been over a year now full time linux and it plays all the games I have and have gotten. I’m really impressed with how much better it’s gotten over the past few years.

            I run pop os with AMD hardware on wayland.

            • wewbull@feddit.ukEnglish
              6·
              10 个月前

              I think the AMD hardware is a big part of things being a good experience.

            • niisyth@lemmy.caEnglish
              61·
              10 个月前

              As someone who has tried it on multiple devices in recent years, it still isn’t smooth enough. And I’ve been assembling computers for 2 decades now. So not entirely technically illiterate, but just not adept in linux. Definitely heavily reliant on use cases for how smooth the experience is. The server side is very well developed with years of linux leaning heavier on that side, but the splintering of frontend has a bit of an android effect. Lots of really cool things but still some jank that you can’t get rid of.

              • InternetUser2012@midwest.social
                11·
                10 个月前

                “recent years”, yeah I agree, years ago it wasn’t very good for a daily driver, especially if you want to game. I have no complaints now and it feels great to not be using a malware os.

    • Grofit@lemmy.world
      223·
      10 个月前

      Stuff just works on windows, I have a proxmox box with some Linux vms to run containers and I’ve tried several times over the last 20 years to move to Linux on my main pc but there are just too many faffy bits.

      I really dislike what windows has become, it’s bloat ware that’s getting worse and worse, but I begrudgingly use it as I can be productive, the moment I can be as productive in Linux I’m off of windows, but even simple things like drivers are often not as good, lots of commercial software has barebones or no Linux support, there are many different package managers (on one hand great) but some have permission problems due to sandboxing when you need something like your IDE to have access to the dotnet package, also as a developer building apps/libs for Linux is a nightmare.

      For example if I make an app for Windows I build a single binary, same for mac os, for Linux it’s the Wild west, varying versions of glibc various versions of gtk and that’s the simpler stuff.

      Anyway I REALLY WANT to like Linux and move away from windows to it, but every time I try its hours/days of hoop jumping before I just end up going back to windows and waiting for windows to annoy me so much I try again.

      (just to be clear the annoyances I have with windows are it’s constant ad/bloat ware, it’s segregation of settings and duplication of things, it constantly updating and forcing you to turn off all their nonsense AGAIN)

      • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        10 个月前

        Honestly, you get used to whatever you use and learn to avoid the faffy bits. I was like that with Windows back in the day, I just learned how to deal with it.

        Now when I have to use a Windows box, I end up in a rage because of all the stupid shit I just used to avoid or knew how. Most of the useful bits are hidden from that Settings app that seems like it’s designed for children.

        So really, if you get down to it and pushed your way through the familiarity stage, you’d be fine. If you want something that doesn’t give you much visible complexity for configuration, use Gnome, if you like to have every setting at your fingertips, use Plasma.

        If you want your applications in a single bundle, use AppImage which is essentially what MacOS does.

        And for development, being able to do things like containers/distrobox for your toolchains right on your dev box, without whatever the hell it is that Windows does these days is pretty sweet.

        • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
          61·
          10 个月前

          That’s exactly it. I’ve been using Linux on my desktop for literally decades now and to me it just works.

          Whereas using windows is an endless string of frustrations because everything is awkward and broken and unclear and hidden in places that make no sense.

          Of course I manage because I’ve been around long enough, but I always wonder why people choose to use it.

        • deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          21·
          10 个月前

          I have the same experience as the author you just replied to. While some of what you are saying is true, I have never had everyday issues like these on windows. I switch to Linux once a year to change things up. Mint, arch, Debian… A few major issues I experience

          • login screen just freezes after standby
          • wifi not automatically recognizing what settings e.g. security protocol my work wifi uses
          • external monitors not working
          • updates just breaking my whole OS or not working

          These are essentials, not something I can simply learn to live with or fix on the fly.

          Would love to switch! I can get through work without proprietary software so that’s not the issue.

          • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            10 个月前

            Well, that sucks. I’ve used it for decades now and the last 8 or 10 years seems really low-maintenance.

            Maybe try a Fedora spin like Nobara next time you get around to it. It’s pretty tuned up and seems stable as hell. And fairly cutting edge.

      • Nevoic@lemm.ee
        72·
        10 个月前

        Linux is a far more reliable operating system at the kernel level, which is why the vast majority of the Internet runs on Linux, and is very stable compared to anyone’s personal computer (no matter O.S). It’s also lighter weight at its core, which is a big plus for servers.

        The thing about Linux desktops that tend to be finicky is interop with some proprietary software (e.g nvidia drivers) or desktop environments (gnome can freeze/crash if you like running bleeding edge before bugs are ironed out). Windows has issues too however, free software often literally doesn’t run on Windows (requiring WSL, the same way games on Linux require wine), and the desktop environment is essentially indistinguishable from the base operating system. When you get a desktop environment crash on Windows, your system will BSOD and restart with no recourse, in Linux I can ssh into my still functioning computer and kill my DE, or drop to the TTL and do the same thing.

        The end might not seem like a big deal for some people (who cares if you have to restart by a button press or kill your DE and login, they’ll take a similar amount of time), but for someone like me where reliability is a big concern (as in, uptime for the half a dozen services/containers I run for people), this is great. People watching media off of jellyfin don’t have to stop because of a DE bug, but on Windows a BSOD would stop their media (and within the last week we’ve had several BSODs on Windows PCs due to bugs relating things like adaptive sync or sometimes just unknown reasons).

        For what it’s worth I also game exclusively on Linux, vk3d, dxvk, and proton are godsends. Somethings don’t work, developers who won’t flip the switch for EAC (e.g Fortnite), but for me the games I play always worked. This will actually change soon, Vanguard is coming to League and that only works on Windows, but also probably not my last install of Windows (I tried W11 when it came out because I’m just curious about new tech), but I had to do a TPMBypassCheck despite having ftpm enabled in the BIOS, and afaict, at least from people I know with similar builds to me, if this happened then firmware TPM probably isn’t being picked up by W11, and that means I need to buy a TPM module or drop to W10 to play League. Plus, vanguard is an intense rootkit with full 24/7 access to your O.S so I probably don’t want that installed anyway, even if it happened to work on Linux. Just going to stick to SoD for now in my free time lol

        • Grofit@lemmy.world
          3·
          10 个月前

          I have a steamdeck and it’s a brilliant bit of kit and if the whole Linux eco system had this same sort of cohesion and “out the box” working experience then it would probably be far more adopted.

          Your point on stability is great, but for most people I would say they rarely see BSODs, windows is pretty stable too, I think a lot of the reasons that corporate servers use Linux over windows is more to do with licensing and permissions, I have seen plenty of windows server setups which works fine 24/7 so I don’t think windows is any less stable, it’s just more faff to setup things which are based on Linux conventions/features (i.e docker).

          If Windows went back to how it was in window ls 7 where it didn’t ram garbage down your throat every update I wouldn’t have any problems with it.

          • niisyth@lemmy.caEnglish
            2·
            10 个月前

            Exactly this. To both points actually. I have a home server on debian and after a bit of setup woes(partly linux still being so reliant on CLI, partly my inexperience with it), it’s been running super smoothly. Have multiple dockers and it has been a joy. And same for the steam deck, it just works. Some glitches here and there with controller support but that’s just PC gaming. But I installed it on my laptop as well and that was a shitshow. All biometrics wouldn’t work, wifi kept dropping in and out, phantom touches now and then. Sure I could have done some cli technical wizardry but I gave up after trying to make it work half as smoothly on my workflow as in windows. And the windows 11 on it is utter garbage. Partly this is manufacturing not having linux drivers available and partly it is linux just not having guis for essential functions. Hope steam is able to have enough of a push to get much needed consumer friendly guis for more system functions.

        • scratchandgame@lemmy.mlTiếng Việt
          1·
          10 个月前

          It’s also lighter weight at its core, which is a big plus for servers.

          Really? Busybox is more-or-less feature equivalent to a BSD userland (FreeBSD userland can be a bit more bloated, see the ls man page), but how many people have picked that up? Still using GNU coreutils, haha.

          I saw many *BSD developers told Linux kernel developers to hang their work for a while and fix quality problems.

    • desconectado@lemm.ee
      141·
      10 个月前

      I use both. Sadly, I have lots of software that doesn’t work (or works pretty bad) on Linux. I love Linux, but there’s no denying it can be frustrated, specially if your hardware doesn’t support it, and that applies to too many people who has no saying in the hardware they use.

      So in what world? Corporate world, science, CAD modelling…

      • wildcherry@slrpnk.net
        71·
        10 个月前

        There is a big misunderstanding in people’s mind. LInux claims to run on pretty much every system (and it does ofc), but people take it as in every device and drivers is supposed to run flawlessly. I bought a 200 euros thinkpad knowing lenovo supported Linux directly, and I’m more satisfied with it than my 3000 euros macbook pro. In fact I havent opened my work one for 6 months+ lol

        Mandatory I use arch btw

        • scratchandgame@lemmy.mlTiếng Việt
          1·
          10 个月前

          Current distros doesn’t support many hardware platform, despite being very well funded. Compared to OpenBSD. (NetBSD is too much, right? and it is not really usable.)

          Fedora: Only run on amd64, arm64, arm, ppc64le, s390x

          Debian: i386, amd64, arm64, arm, ppc64le, mips64le, s390x, riscv64 (testing).

          Alpine: same as Debian but no MIPS support

          Add your own here.

          There isn’t sparc64 support at all!

          https://www.openbsd.org/sparc64.html The other architectures that OpenBSD supports have benefited because some kinds of bugs are exposed more often by the 64-bit big endian nature of UltraSPARC.

          https://www.openbsd.org/want.html It is important to spread sparc64 around the development community, since it is the most strict platform for detecting non-portable or buggy code.

          OpenBSD: alpha, amd64, arm64, armv7, hppa, i386, landisk, loongson, luna88k, macppc, octeon, powerpc64, riscv64, sparc64 (all equally supported except Alpha)

          (VAX is discontinued after 6.9)

      • shortwavesurfer@monero.townEnglish
        41·
        10 个月前

        I use a Windows 10 virtual machine for this purpose and run Linux on my bare metal hardware. And if I absolutely have to use Windows, I can boot the virtual machine, use Windows, and then shut it back down again until I need it again.

        • desconectado@lemm.ee
          3·
          10 个月前

          I mean, that’s what I do, do you think that’s feasible for everyone? No. Not everyone is willing to go through that much hassle.

      • BCsven@lemmy.ca
        13·
        10 个月前

        CAD world and corporate PLM is supported on REL or SUSE by Siemens NX v12 and Teamcenter

    • muelltonne@feddit.de
      7·
      10 个月前

      Most people are not really using the OS. All they do is starting the webbrowser and that’s it. They need input & sound from the OS, but that’s it.

    • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
      22·
      10 个月前

      The majority of people … just aren’t into OSes enough to care.

      Windows does what they want it to do, comes with the laptop they bought and doesn’t require much setup for them to start using it. Even a tech illiterate can setup a Windows in 15 minutes.

      The more advanced users just know how to read settings, and disable all the parts they do not like. Windows can very much be molded to adapt to the users preference, no matter what the Linux fanatics claim. Most of their arguments come from an ignorant perspective that hasn’t rang true for 10+ years.

    • Andrenikous@lemm.eeEnglish
      50·
      10 个月前

      Probably a good chunk of it but admittedly it helped me feel confident in using Linux as my daily driver on my desktop. Nothing drives adoption like being able to play video games.

  • andreas@lemmy.korfmann.xyz
    20·
    10 个月前

    I hate that there is such a discrepancy between the amount of Linux server implementation and desktop usage. I’m hopeful for the future though, I’ve been noticing Linux has been getting more attention.

      • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
        1·
        10 个月前

        Very telling how Linux dominates every computing sector, except the one where the majority of users has to interact with directly.

        Seems like Linux just needs a shell before the average user is able to interact with it in a consumer-friendly way.

      • Steal Wool@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        10 个月前

        I just installed WSL so I can learn Linux before I totally get rid of windows. If anyone has any suggestions for windows users learning Linux I will read them!

        • Thorned_Rose@kbin.social
          3·
          10 个月前

          You could look at dual boot instead of WSL. YouTube has some pretty decent tutorial. Just make sure you take all tutorials with a pinch of salt; don’t EVER run a command without looking it up first and checking out what it does; and try to find the most recent tutorials you can.

          You may also have a local Linux club that can help you get started too 🙂

        • Dehydrated@lemmy.world
          2·
          10 个月前

          I would recommend you to try out Linux in a virtual machine and play around with it. You can watch this video if you don’t know how to set this up. You can do much more with a VM than with WSL. It allows you to basically try any Linux Distribution, whereas WSL only supports a few distros. In a VM you also get a desktop environment by default, whereas WSL mostly restricts you to the terminal. Sure, you can run graphical apps in WSLg, but you still don’t have a Linux desktop. Lastly, it’s much easier to take a snapshot of a VM, and roll back in case you break something.

          After you get comfortable in a VM, maybe try booting a Live USB of some Linux distribution. That way you will be able to try it out on your actual hardware.

          After that, you can set up dual boot. That way, you can still keep your Windows installation, but also use Linux without any restrictions or limitations.