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The bill was shot down because it was fucking abysmal and wouldn’t actually accomplish anything.
Right. Republicans were demanding it go through until the moment Trump said it was bad. But it was actually the result of it not accomplishing enough. /s
You can read it for yourself and make your own decisions rather than relying on people who hate America to interpret it for you.
Don’t worry I won’t rely on you to interpret it for me.
The 4,000 number that triggers a border close doesn’t close it, it only gives the option to close it.
(A) DISCRETIONARY ACTIVATION.—The Secretary may activate the border emergency authority if, during a period of 7 consecutive calendar days, there is an average of 4,000 or more aliens who are encountered each day.
Then there’s the 5000 trigger but naturally there are exceptions.
Even those loopholes were not enough so they made sure they could ignore the mandatory closing.
Whenever the border emergency authority is activated, the Secretary shall have the authority, in the Secretary’s sole and unreviewable discretion, to summarily remove from and prohibit, in whole or in part, entry into the United States of any alien identified in subsection (a)(3) who is subject to such authority in accordance with this subsection.>
So, just to be clear, the border should be closed even to people with who valid visas or are otherwise lawfully permitted to enter into the U.S. when the border emergency authority is activated?
Like, if an Israeli citizen shows up and wants to get through…they should be rejected if the border emergency authority is activated?
Could you point to where I said I disagree with all the exceptions, I simply listed them? If you had a desire to have a real discussion you could ask which ones I disagree with.
You might need to read up on what a straw man is, it’s not just misrepresenting a position.
You seem to have missed my point about your attempted straw man. I was saying I’m surprised you didn’t us the what about the kids as your straw man.
If you had a desire to have a real discussion you could ask which ones I disagree with.
Yeah, okay, I owe you a genuine apology. You actually read it and found bits that you disagreed with and even quoted them. And, in response, I fucked by basically asserting that you believe things you don’t.
I apologize for that.
I do want a real discussion. But, let’s try again some other time.
Matter of fact, I’ll do some reading for you. You tell me if these things are bad.
For an additional amount for ‘‘U.S. Immigration and19 Customs Enforcement—Operations and Support’’,$7,600,833,000, to remain available until September 30, 2026: Provided, That of the total amount provided under this heading in this Act, $3,230,648,000 shall be for increased custodial detention capacity, $2,548,401,000 shall be for increased removal flights and related activities, including short-term staging facilities, $534,682,000 shall be for hiring U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement personnel, and $1,287,102,000 shall be for increased enrollment capabilities and related activities within the Alternatives to Detention program…
DEPARTMENT OF STATE INTERNATIONAL NARCOTICS CONTROL AND LAW ENFORCEMENT
For an additional amount for ‘‘International Narcotics Control and Law Enforcement’’, $25,000,000, to re main available until September 30, 2025, to counter the flow of fentanyl, fentanyl precursors, and other synthetic drugs into the United States…
SEC. 3203. INTERNAL RELOCATION.
(a) IN GENERAL .—Section 208(b)(2)(A) of the Im migration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1158(b)(2)(A)) is amended—
(1) in clause (v), by striking ‘‘or’’ at the end;
(2) in clause (vi), by striking the period at the end and inserting ‘‘; or’’; and
(3) by adding at the end the following: ‘‘(vii) there are reasonable grounds for concluding that the alien could avoid persecution by relocating to—‘‘(I) another location in the alien’s country of nationality; or‘‘(II) in the case of an alien having no nationality, another location in the alien’s country of last habitual residence.’’.
‘(b) BORDER EMERGENCY AUTHORITY DESCRIBED .—
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL .—Whenever the border emergency authority is activated, the Secretary shall have the authority, in the Secretary’s sole and unreviewable discretion, to summarily remove from and prohibit, in whole or in part, entry into the United States of any alien identified in subsection (a)(3) who is subject to such authority in accordance with this subsection.
All of those sections can be found in the link of my other comment. So, this isn’t even interpretation, just what is exactly in the bill.
Yeah, which means there’s more stuff that you’d probably find appealing in it!
Because if you read Republican criticisms of the bill, there’s no policy discussion. It’s not bad because tens of millions isn’t enough, or because ICE wasn’t given enough power to deport immigrants in the country with authorization, or anything else. It’s just bad, just dead on arrival, just a crap sandwich. No reasoning given for why, just that it is.
They’re abusing your trust in them to lie to you. The bill has what you want in it. It has what they want in it. So why isn’t it being passed?
Yeah, which means there’s more stuff that you’d probably find appealing in it
Why do you automatically assume that people are supposed to agree with it by default? It’s seriously that unfathomable in your mind that someone could read it and decide it isn’t a good bill?
No. I hate the bill. But it also wasn’t targeted at my political demographic.
For a group of folks that justify war and suffering of others for personal and national security, you must like it more than I do. It’s just a matter of whether you actually like it or just think it’s okay. From what I can tell, you should actually really like it.
But here’s the thing: I didn’t arrive at hating the bill because I heard from AOC that it’s a bad bill. Most of you heard from freakin’ Fox News and Co. that it was bad bill and believe it.
Republican politicians are lying to you. The bill is a relatively good one from your perspective. But, for whatever reason, you can’t pull from the wool from over your eyes to see it for yourself.
I’m genuinely curious how you look at threads like this where he does nothing except be a total fucking condescending jackass and think “yeah, it’s reasonable to have this guy deciding who’s in good faith”
Right. Republicans were demanding it go through until the moment Trump said it was bad. But it was actually the result of it not accomplishing enough. /s
Quit fooling yourself.
Up until a week ago nobody knew what was in it, dems were only releasing bullet points. Once people read it they opposed it.
You can read it for yourself and make your own decisions rather than relying on people who hate America to interpret it for you.
Don’t worry I won’t rely on you to interpret it for me.
The 4,000 number that triggers a border close doesn’t close it, it only gives the option to close it.
Then there’s the 5000 trigger but naturally there are exceptions.
Even those loopholes were not enough so they made sure they could ignore the mandatory closing.
So, just to be clear, the border should be closed even to people with who valid visas or are otherwise lawfully permitted to enter into the U.S. when the border emergency authority is activated?
Like, if an Israeli citizen shows up and wants to get through…they should be rejected if the border emergency authority is activated?
Nice try at a straw man, I’m surprised you didn’t go the unaccomponied minor route.
You can just say no and amend what you mean.
How come none of you know how to argue? Pointing out a strawman just means I’ve misrepresented your position.
Also, the unaccompanied minor is in the bill. You posted it.
Could you point to where I said I disagree with all the exceptions, I simply listed them? If you had a desire to have a real discussion you could ask which ones I disagree with.
You might need to read up on what a straw man is, it’s not just misrepresenting a position.
You seem to have missed my point about your attempted straw man. I was saying I’m surprised you didn’t us the what about the kids as your straw man.
Yeah, okay, I owe you a genuine apology. You actually read it and found bits that you disagreed with and even quoted them. And, in response, I fucked by basically asserting that you believe things you don’t.
I apologize for that.
I do want a real discussion. But, let’s try again some other time.
But let me guess. You’re just going to cry anyway when people read it and decide that it fucking sucks?
You never know until you try
Matter of fact, I’ll do some reading for you. You tell me if these things are bad.
All of those sections can be found in the link of my other comment. So, this isn’t even interpretation, just what is exactly in the bill.
What is here that’s worth opposing exactly?
Thats not nearly all of it, thats a tiny snippet.
Yeah, which means there’s more stuff that you’d probably find appealing in it!
Because if you read Republican criticisms of the bill, there’s no policy discussion. It’s not bad because tens of millions isn’t enough, or because ICE wasn’t given enough power to deport immigrants in the country with authorization, or anything else. It’s just bad, just dead on arrival, just a crap sandwich. No reasoning given for why, just that it is.
They’re abusing your trust in them to lie to you. The bill has what you want in it. It has what they want in it. So why isn’t it being passed?
Why do you automatically assume that people are supposed to agree with it by default? It’s seriously that unfathomable in your mind that someone could read it and decide it isn’t a good bill?
No. I hate the bill. But it also wasn’t targeted at my political demographic.
For a group of folks that justify war and suffering of others for personal and national security, you must like it more than I do. It’s just a matter of whether you actually like it or just think it’s okay. From what I can tell, you should actually really like it.
But here’s the thing: I didn’t arrive at hating the bill because I heard from AOC that it’s a bad bill. Most of you heard from freakin’ Fox News and Co. that it was bad bill and believe it.
Republican politicians are lying to you. The bill is a relatively good one from your perspective. But, for whatever reason, you can’t pull from the wool from over your eyes to see it for yourself.
It just sounds like you have a very poor idea of what I want, in that case.
Fair enough. You seem to want what you’re told to want, or to not want I suppose.
I’m genuinely curious how you look at threads like this where he does nothing except be a total fucking condescending jackass and think “yeah, it’s reasonable to have this guy deciding who’s in good faith”