To cede that this is representative of tankie culture? Quite a few, plus evidence that it’s not an inside joke or satire
To cede that this is representative of communist culture? Same as the above, but more.
To cede that this is representative of leftie culture? I’d have a difficult time believing it wouldn’t be buried by counter examples.
Let’s start with, let’s say 5 posts from prominent communist communities that: a) are clearly mainly about this, b) are clearly not a joke, and c) clearly have broad support from within the community.
Those examples will give me a starting place to look around myself.
As a counterexample, here is a post “How Russia became far right?” where everyone agrees that Russia has a far right government, even though some communist sympathy remains in the population. I’d think that shows that they do not support Putin as communists, or even at all.
There is some good faith discussion in those subs, but when confronted with an enemy they close ranks and default to “US bad, anything the US hates we love”
Yeah, but that can be a valid tactic. The “enemy of my enemy is my friend” and all that.
I’m not a state socialist but the US is a terrorist regime that absolutely needs to be checked. So even though I don’t like many things about the governments of Russia or China or Iran, I am rooting for them to… well to survive without being completely co-opted. Can you imagine if the US completely dominated those countries? How incredibly bad it would get?
I’ve party saw it when the USSR fell, there was a counter balance missing which I believe directly led to the social democratic parties in the US and EU embracing “the third way” (neoliberalism).
To be fair, I backed myself into a corner here. I’ve been procrastinating because I really don’t want to immerse myself in tankie forums. But as I said, I’m not willing to accept the claims at face value. So I just keep putting it off 😭
I should have just kept my thoughts to myself lol.
What? I thought that the evidence was trivial to find, didn’t you say?
I also said that reading through them sapped my will to live. Why would I trudge through them just so some twat online can say, “LOL but those are just a few examples!”
What did you expect me to say? “Oh you sent me a link, let me fully believe you without checking out the thing you linked”?
I told you to set the criteria to your liking. I asked you how many you wanted as evidence. I don’t think “IF you find these as evidence, I’ll concede the point” is such a ridiculous thing to ask.
Sounds a lot like you’re making a bad faith argument to me
In my admittedly limited experience, 100% of the people I’ve talked to who have made the accusation you’re making have lied about it.
And in my admittedly limited experience, 100% of the lefties accused of saying what you’re accusing them of saying, were explicitly not saying it.
And in my slighy more experience, 100% of the people I’ve seen saying the things that you’re accusing lefties of saying have been right wingers.
So… 🤷
How many genuine examples would it take for you to cede the point?
Let’s start with, let’s say 5 posts from prominent communist communities that: a) are clearly mainly about this, b) are clearly not a joke, and c) clearly have broad support from within the community.
Those examples will give me a starting place to look around myself.
Fuck it, I’ll bite. I don’t usually indulge this kind of sealion stuff but I’m bored and waiting for my hair to dry before going to sleep.
All of these posts were gathered from the “top all time” posts in communities about Ukraine in hexbear and lemmygrad.
As a counterexample, here is a post “How Russia became far right?” where everyone agrees that Russia has a far right government, even though some communist sympathy remains in the population. I’d think that shows that they do not support Putin as communists, or even at all.
There is some good faith discussion in those subs, but when confronted with an enemy they close ranks and default to “US bad, anything the US hates we love”
Yeah, but that can be a valid tactic. The “enemy of my enemy is my friend” and all that.
I’m not a state socialist but the US is a terrorist regime that absolutely needs to be checked. So even though I don’t like many things about the governments of Russia or China or Iran, I am rooting for them to… well to survive without being completely co-opted. Can you imagine if the US completely dominated those countries? How incredibly bad it would get?
I’ve party saw it when the USSR fell, there was a counter balance missing which I believe directly led to the social democratic parties in the US and EU embracing “the third way” (neoliberalism).
Welp, you’re a fucking idiot then
I think you scared him off.
It’s rare for someone to admit they were wrong, but sudden silence is usually the same thing.
I mean, give me a chance. I have a life outside Lemmy, and it’s a lot to look into.
Fair enough. Without a “I’m looking into it” type response I assume rage quit.
To be fair, I backed myself into a corner here. I’ve been procrastinating because I really don’t want to immerse myself in tankie forums. But as I said, I’m not willing to accept the claims at face value. So I just keep putting it off 😭
I should have just kept my thoughts to myself lol.
Thanks! I’ll take a look around and dig in a bit.
Yeah, gonna have to go with a ‘no’ for a mealy-mouthed dodge like this.
What? I thought that the evidence was trivial to find, didn’t you say?
What did you expect me to say? “Oh you sent me a link, let me fully believe you without checking out the thing you linked”?
Sounds a lot like you’re making a bad faith argument to me
I also said that reading through them sapped my will to live. Why would I trudge through them just so some twat online can say, “LOL but those are just a few examples!”
I told you to set the criteria to your liking. I asked you how many you wanted as evidence. I don’t think “IF you find these as evidence, I’ll concede the point” is such a ridiculous thing to ask.
lmao
You used a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.
Don’t worry though, someone else has already provided the 5 examples. I’m gonna take a look when I get a chance.