Halting production made erode the wealth of some, but running around shooting rich people isn’t going to do jack shit for the environment.
The halting of production and travel led to decreased CO2, not rich people being less rich.
And if you were paying attention, the people who were able to solved people’s problems during that time got more rich. It’s almost like people pay other people to help solve their problems… and those problem solvers get rich. Whoever can solve the energy problems will end up insanely rich, and can do so while helping the environment. These things aren’t mutually exclusive.
we are not suggesting running around and shooting billionaires, that’s not a revolution, the Bolsheveik revolution didn’t just assassinate the Tsar, there was more.
if saving nature is profitable, why isn’t there an insanely rich person who solved global warming yet?
You can’t just paint targets and hope their absense will make things better; you have to have ultimatums, so that they and their peers have incentive to change.
But that’s like 90% of lib praxis! Boo-hooing about those violent and mean tankies who want to stop poor innocent billionaires from destroying the planet! We’re so cruel!
Shit, before Elon got distracted by Twitter he was the richest person by starting an electric car company to try and keep earth alive long enough to get people to another planet through his other company SpaceX. So you can say there is already an insanely rich person who got that way from trying to help with global warming.
But it’s not magic. Ideas still need to exist. Technology still needs to exist or be invested, and impact takes time. If someone discovered some power source that provided all the benefits of fossil fuels, without the downsides, that could work at scale regardless of the environment. They’d be a trillionaire within 10 years.
He didn’t start Tesla, he bought his way in. The guy hasn’t had a single original thought in his life. He just invests in companies that sound cool to him, he doesn’t give a shit about the future or the current state of humanity. And he stole that wealth by exploiting the people that work for him. Stop idolizing wealthy people.
Adding to this, he tried to do the whole “X” thing at PayPal and they removed him from his board position because of it. Fortunately for him, he had already bought in with his generational wealth and was able to simply fail upwards from there.
It’s federated, I didn’t seek this post or instance out. What does being on lemmygrad mean? I don’t inherently know the ideology behind every instance, if you’re getting at something related to that.
Lemmygrad is a Marxist-Leninist instance, commies or Tankies or whatever you know it as, if you’re interested in like learning about it and discussing it you’re free to do so, but Capitalist apoligia isn’t allowed here.
Simplifying things beyond their meaning doesn’t make you intelligent, it makes you look like baby, “Revolution is when boom boom”
The guns in the comic and the title of the post are for a revolution, yk just like the “glorious” american “revolution” that yankees worship. revolutions need violence like it or not, the ruling class will not give away its position easily and it will send its dogs to bite us (Police, Army, Fascist militias… etc).
In most of hisotry, a very large amount of the problem s were solved by shooting people. Getting the US out of Vietnam and Laos were caused by shooting people. Dealing with the Nazis were done by shooting people. Getting the British out of Ireland was done by shooting people. And shooting people is still the main solution in the world. The main tool to keep the Zionists from continuing to expand are guns and bombs
Probably don’t want to mention Zionists to a concern troll, they’re already looking for excuses to call us Nazis.
For lurkers:
We “tankies” do not support the violence that Israel commits against Palestine, as it is a settler apartheid state similar to South Africa that brutally suppresses the Palestinians. While you might’ve only seen violence from Palestinians in the news, this is only because the news ignores Israel’s violence against them in order to blame the victim.
Notice that during this paragraph their ethnicity did not play into it. If the situation was reversed and Jews were being systematically destroyed by Arabs, we would be just as opposed to it. “Zionism” in this context refers to the idea that the Jewish people “deserve” to carve out an ethnostate in the middle east, at the expense of the people living there.
If you have read this and believe that Jewish people deserve an ethnostate because of the Holocaust, you should ask why that state needs to be in the middle east, at the expense of the non-Jewish people living there, rather than say…in Germany, the nation that actually committed those horrific atrocities.
The only solution rich people have come up with is lying and pretending normal people are responsible so they will buy greenwashed products that won’t make much an impact. Individual electric cars are highly energy intensive and rely on metals mined by child labor, the real solution (accessible public transit) is simply not profitable, the car lobby won’t allow it. The other solution they have is pumping chemicals into the sky to bleach it and artificially block the sun. Is that really what we want? The US military is the number one polluter, when’s it going to be profitable to end them? It won’t because militarism is where the money’s at. Also, rich people didn’t deal with Covid because of their wealth. Millions died because they wanted people to get back to the office and buying things. The people who got rich were entertainment and tech companies. The vaccine wasn’t developed because rich people knew what to do, it was done because the government paid companies to do it and let them keep the money. They then stopped people from getting access to good vaccines through intellectual property and patents, allowing them to get even more money.
Well yea, for example in my country some problem solvers got rich during COVID by overcharging the state for imports of medical and hygienic supplies, because our industrial network is so eroded due to globalization-relocalization that apparently we aren’t even able to manufacture some simple face masks anymore. Wealth accumulation never stops, even in a recessive scenario. It just gets accumulated in less hands.
(Edit because bad english)
Halting production made erode the wealth of some, but running around shooting rich people isn’t going to do jack shit for the environment.
The halting of production and travel led to decreased CO2, not rich people being less rich.
And if you were paying attention, the people who were able to solved people’s problems during that time got more rich. It’s almost like people pay other people to help solve their problems… and those problem solvers get rich. Whoever can solve the energy problems will end up insanely rich, and can do so while helping the environment. These things aren’t mutually exclusive.
we are not suggesting running around and shooting billionaires, that’s not a revolution, the Bolsheveik revolution didn’t just assassinate the Tsar, there was more.
if saving nature is profitable, why isn’t there an insanely rich person who solved global warming yet?
You can’t just paint targets and hope their absense will make things better; you have to have ultimatums, so that they and their peers have incentive to change.
Then what are the guns in the comic and the title of this post for?
It’s… a meme title. On a meme comm. Oh my fucking god please liberals stop concern trolling
But that’s like 90% of lib praxis! Boo-hooing about those violent and mean tankies who want to stop poor innocent billionaires from destroying the planet! We’re so cruel!
They’re working on it.
Shit, before Elon got distracted by Twitter he was the richest person by starting an electric car company to try and keep earth alive long enough to get people to another planet through his other company SpaceX. So you can say there is already an insanely rich person who got that way from trying to help with global warming.
But it’s not magic. Ideas still need to exist. Technology still needs to exist or be invested, and impact takes time. If someone discovered some power source that provided all the benefits of fossil fuels, without the downsides, that could work at scale regardless of the environment. They’d be a trillionaire within 10 years.
He didn’t start Tesla, he bought his way in. The guy hasn’t had a single original thought in his life. He just invests in companies that sound cool to him, he doesn’t give a shit about the future or the current state of humanity. And he stole that wealth by exploiting the people that work for him. Stop idolizing wealthy people.
Adding to this, he tried to do the whole “X” thing at PayPal and they removed him from his board position because of it. Fortunately for him, he had already bought in with his generational wealth and was able to simply fail upwards from there.
bro I suggest you go to another Lemmy instance, you’re on Lemmygrad rn
It’s federated, I didn’t seek this post or instance out. What does being on lemmygrad mean? I don’t inherently know the ideology behind every instance, if you’re getting at something related to that.
Lemmygrad is a Marxist-Leninist instance, commies or Tankies or whatever you know it as, if you’re interested in like learning about it and discussing it you’re free to do so, but Capitalist apoligia isn’t allowed here.
Define “capitalist apologia” as differentiated from discussing Marxist-Leninist “shoot people to solve world problems” ideology?
Simplifying things beyond their meaning doesn’t make you intelligent, it makes you look like baby, “Revolution is when boom boom”
The guns in the comic and the title of the post are for a revolution, yk just like the “glorious” american “revolution” that yankees worship. revolutions need violence like it or not, the ruling class will not give away its position easily and it will send its dogs to bite us (Police, Army, Fascist militias… etc).
In most of hisotry, a very large amount of the problem s were solved by shooting people. Getting the US out of Vietnam and Laos were caused by shooting people. Dealing with the Nazis were done by shooting people. Getting the British out of Ireland was done by shooting people. And shooting people is still the main solution in the world. The main tool to keep the Zionists from continuing to expand are guns and bombs
Probably don’t want to mention Zionists to a concern troll, they’re already looking for excuses to call us Nazis.
For lurkers: We “tankies” do not support the violence that Israel commits against Palestine, as it is a settler apartheid state similar to South Africa that brutally suppresses the Palestinians. While you might’ve only seen violence from Palestinians in the news, this is only because the news ignores Israel’s violence against them in order to blame the victim.
Notice that during this paragraph their ethnicity did not play into it. If the situation was reversed and Jews were being systematically destroyed by Arabs, we would be just as opposed to it. “Zionism” in this context refers to the idea that the Jewish people “deserve” to carve out an ethnostate in the middle east, at the expense of the people living there. If you have read this and believe that Jewish people deserve an ethnostate because of the Holocaust, you should ask why that state needs to be in the middle east, at the expense of the non-Jewish people living there, rather than say…in Germany, the nation that actually committed those horrific atrocities.
The only solution rich people have come up with is lying and pretending normal people are responsible so they will buy greenwashed products that won’t make much an impact. Individual electric cars are highly energy intensive and rely on metals mined by child labor, the real solution (accessible public transit) is simply not profitable, the car lobby won’t allow it. The other solution they have is pumping chemicals into the sky to bleach it and artificially block the sun. Is that really what we want? The US military is the number one polluter, when’s it going to be profitable to end them? It won’t because militarism is where the money’s at. Also, rich people didn’t deal with Covid because of their wealth. Millions died because they wanted people to get back to the office and buying things. The people who got rich were entertainment and tech companies. The vaccine wasn’t developed because rich people knew what to do, it was done because the government paid companies to do it and let them keep the money. They then stopped people from getting access to good vaccines through intellectual property and patents, allowing them to get even more money.
Well yea, for example in my country some problem solvers got rich during COVID by overcharging the state for imports of medical and hygienic supplies, because our industrial network is so eroded due to globalization-relocalization that apparently we aren’t even able to manufacture some simple face masks anymore. Wealth accumulation never stops, even in a recessive scenario. It just gets accumulated in less hands. (Edit because bad english)
I remember the rich during the beginning of COVID saying a lot of us should die so the economy keeps rolling.