This idiot doesn’t know when to shut up. This war started when Israel had the worst and most extremist government it’s ever had, there were many protests about it in the first half of 2023. That minister in particular is possibly the craziest of them, and easily the one least able to co-ordinate his statements with the rest of the government. It’s both a PR disaster for Israel and plain misleading information - this is not a policy that Israel has.
Unless I’m mistaken, he’s even been banned from cabinet meetings because of this kind of shit. So please, take everything he says with a mountain of salt.
Disclaimer: I’m Israeli. I know Israel is not handling this war remotely well, but it’s also not guilty of the extreme accusations the internet blames it for.
P.S. mods, if you decide to ban me (as another community did) then at least have the courtesy of informing the rest of the userbase about it, and ideally leave my comment intact. If you just delete and ban every comment that doesn’t uphold a specific viewpoint, you’re just making an echo chamber, and the whole community becomes more extremist by the day.
Disclaimer: I’m Israeli. I know Israel is not handling this war remotely well, but it’s also not guilty of the extreme accusations the internet blames it for.
It is guilty of genocide, and this is not an internet accusation.
this is not a policy that Israel has.
Yes, it does. It has been stated numerous time, the plan is another Nakba.
To be honest I would argue the sentiment that this approach isn’t what most Israeli civilians envisioned for some years now, but seeing as how all actions taken by both IDF and Israeli government, I seriously doubt this guy is alone in his fascist thoughts when he bursts out these inhumane sentiments.
I would advise against defending these genocidal state apparatus, nor mixing the views of civilian population of Israel with these bloodthirsty colonialist monsters.
Israeli people are innocent in this conflict, as are Palestinian people. However, Palestinian people are too poor and oppressed from all sides to make a conscious decision to root out Hamas, so the part of responsibility that falls on them is hard to accomplish. Israeli people, on the other hand, still have enough faculties, although at the brink of destruction by the fear-mongering campaign of Bibi the Genocider, to carry out their part of the responsibility in forming peaceful living by dismantling their current terrorist and fascist government (at the elections at worst).
What I advise is don’t try push the blame under a rug by making scapegoats out of a few people while letting the rest ruin the last semblance of your democracy.
It wasn’t my intention to make him a scapegoat, I’m only accusing him of the statements that he made, nothing else. Any actual actions that the government and military make can’t fall on just his shoulders.
What everyone globally seems to forget, or maybe never even heard about, is that Israel has tried multiple times in the past to make peace with a Palestinian state, with generous offers of land (generous when you consider that it was under no obligation to offer them, and it’s a state not a person so ethics don’t apply in quite the same way). Right from the get-go, it’s the Palestinians who always refused these peace offerings, ever since with the UN decision to establish the state of Israel which was largely supported by the western world.
I will say that I don’t think any of this justifies the number of casualties in Gaza. It doesn’t make sense to me, and I don’t think it’s acceptable that destruction of this extent is Israel’s course of action. But I also can’t agree with claims of genocide or ethnic cleansing, especially not as a long-term policy of Israel. It doesn’t add up.
I’d honestly love to know more about what it’s like to be an Israeli right now. I’m adamantly pro cease-fire and have always been pro “let people keep their homes” and anti-apartheid, but never anti-Israeli citizen or Palestinian citizen to be fair. In the US we talk a lot about our government being colonizers and how the founding fathers shouldn’t be praised and we try to find ways to honor stolen land, albeit, it feels performative since I certainly can’t just give up my home if someone’s ancestor came back and asked for it. Anyways not to try to point too many fingers, but hopefully just offer a glimpse of my own moral dilemmas that feel impossible, I’m just wondering what the perspective is for you all? Is the segregation discussed? Is the foundation of Israel controversial among Israelis at all?
This idiot doesn’t know when to shut up. This war started when Israel had the worst and most extremist government it’s ever had, there were many protests about it in the first half of 2023. That minister in particular is possibly the craziest of them, and easily the one least able to co-ordinate his statements with the rest of the government. It’s both a PR disaster for Israel and plain misleading information - this is not a policy that Israel has.
Unless I’m mistaken, he’s even been banned from cabinet meetings because of this kind of shit. So please, take everything he says with a mountain of salt.
Disclaimer: I’m Israeli. I know Israel is not handling this war remotely well, but it’s also not guilty of the extreme accusations the internet blames it for.
P.S. mods, if you decide to ban me (as another community did) then at least have the courtesy of informing the rest of the userbase about it, and ideally leave my comment intact. If you just delete and ban every comment that doesn’t uphold a specific viewpoint, you’re just making an echo chamber, and the whole community becomes more extremist by the day.
It is guilty of genocide, and this is not an internet accusation.
Yes, it does. It has been stated numerous time, the plan is another Nakba.
To be honest I would argue the sentiment that this approach isn’t what most Israeli civilians envisioned for some years now, but seeing as how all actions taken by both IDF and Israeli government, I seriously doubt this guy is alone in his fascist thoughts when he bursts out these inhumane sentiments.
I would advise against defending these genocidal state apparatus, nor mixing the views of civilian population of Israel with these bloodthirsty colonialist monsters.
Israeli people are innocent in this conflict, as are Palestinian people. However, Palestinian people are too poor and oppressed from all sides to make a conscious decision to root out Hamas, so the part of responsibility that falls on them is hard to accomplish. Israeli people, on the other hand, still have enough faculties, although at the brink of destruction by the fear-mongering campaign of Bibi the Genocider, to carry out their part of the responsibility in forming peaceful living by dismantling their current terrorist and fascist government (at the elections at worst).
What I advise is don’t try push the blame under a rug by making scapegoats out of a few people while letting the rest ruin the last semblance of your democracy.
It wasn’t my intention to make him a scapegoat, I’m only accusing him of the statements that he made, nothing else. Any actual actions that the government and military make can’t fall on just his shoulders.
What everyone globally seems to forget, or maybe never even heard about, is that Israel has tried multiple times in the past to make peace with a Palestinian state, with generous offers of land (generous when you consider that it was under no obligation to offer them, and it’s a state not a person so ethics don’t apply in quite the same way). Right from the get-go, it’s the Palestinians who always refused these peace offerings, ever since with the UN decision to establish the state of Israel which was largely supported by the western world.
Even in the past few years before the October 7th attacks, Israel has gradually increased the number of work permits for Gaza citizens to work in Israel.. Israel has been trying slowly to gain any sort of trust and be humanitarian, but time and time again this trust is betrayed and progress is reversed.
I will say that I don’t think any of this justifies the number of casualties in Gaza. It doesn’t make sense to me, and I don’t think it’s acceptable that destruction of this extent is Israel’s course of action. But I also can’t agree with claims of genocide or ethnic cleansing, especially not as a long-term policy of Israel. It doesn’t add up.
Yeah, he should have kept a lid on it like everyone else at the Wannsee Conference.
I’d honestly love to know more about what it’s like to be an Israeli right now. I’m adamantly pro cease-fire and have always been pro “let people keep their homes” and anti-apartheid, but never anti-Israeli citizen or Palestinian citizen to be fair. In the US we talk a lot about our government being colonizers and how the founding fathers shouldn’t be praised and we try to find ways to honor stolen land, albeit, it feels performative since I certainly can’t just give up my home if someone’s ancestor came back and asked for it. Anyways not to try to point too many fingers, but hopefully just offer a glimpse of my own moral dilemmas that feel impossible, I’m just wondering what the perspective is for you all? Is the segregation discussed? Is the foundation of Israel controversial among Israelis at all?
Mods here taking a Reddit approach to turning the conversation into shit. It’s wild to see develop so rapidly, what took years over there.
Thanks. This kind of reality check is very necessary.