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    Add Tibet, Xianchang, Manchuria, as separate countries and switch Inner Mongolia to being part of Mongolia and now we’re getting somewhere.

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      Taiwan didn’t even recognize Mongolia’s independence until 2002. Good luck getting the KMT to accept Tibet’s or Uyghurstan’s independence.

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        Next thing you know, Western Taiwan decides it’s time to make North Korea their brand new province, because “historic grounds” or something

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          My personal bet is they’ll go for Outer Manchuria. They still see the treaty of Aigun as an unequal treaty and as things stand the international community wouldn’t even bother writing a strongly worded letter if they decided to rectify it.

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        i mean considering taiwan’s position surely they’d be more than happy to get the mainland in return for letting some remote areas be independent?

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      IDK about Xinjiang but China’s current state of water security basically means no government of China will accept Tibetan independence without basically getting puppet state control over them.

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        According to Wendover (neat youtube channel), the “deadline” of that event is likely 2027. Whether it will happen or not is a whole different story

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        I thought the same, but theres been a lot of exposed strife in xi’s perfect little world and he is quickly losing all the blood in his warboner. If anything is gonna happen, im guessing it’ll happen within a year or two. Any longer and xi wont have enough economy or technology to sustain even a remotely scary military.

        This is excluding nukes.

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      kinda weird to say all Chinese citizens are cheaters. and by weird I mean OVERTLY RACIST.

      fuck the CCP but all 1.4 billion Chinese people are my homies. I aint gonna sit and listen to some little shit on lemmy call my homies cheaters

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        It’s somewhat racist, but it’s also got some truth to it. Anywhere internet cafés are a thing cheating tends to be more popular. They’re usually not using their own account, so there is no risk to cheating. Internet cafés are prevalent in China and Russia, so there’s a stereotype of them being cheaters. That’s not to say they all do it, but it’s more likely than most other places.

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        Yes. China has a huge hacking problem. Anytime there is a ban wave of hackers in just about any competitive online multiplayer game that Chinese players have access to, the vast majority of the IPs banned are Chinese. The gaming cafes over there even advertise hacks.

        It has to do with their culture. Chinese culture is very cutthroat and survival of the fittest. It makes people have the mindset of doing anything they can to win or be successful, even if it means cheating. It’s not just video games. They have a huge problem with it in their education system, as well. It’s also why there is so many cheap copies and counterfeits of different products made in China.

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        “Chinese people” aren’t known for being cheaters in games, except maybe by xenophobic anglophones. However, there are businesses in China that make a living through selling digital gaming items acquired through illegitimate means. Similar to how there are a lot of scam companies based in India - but that doesn’t mean “Indian people are cheaters”. People in India hate scammers too, and gamers in China hate game scammers.

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      The PRC and RoC share a lot of the same territorial disputes because they both view themselves as the one rightful Chinese government; they largely agree which land is “part of China”. It’s taking Taiwan’s side because it’s saying they should administer all of it.

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        Doesn’t Taiwan largely still do this in the modern day because revoking those claims would be equivalent to declaring its formal independence as a separate country, which is something China has threatened would be met with invasion?

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        both view themselves as the one rightful Chinese government

        This is a bit of an outdated view in my opinion. If you’re a KMT voter (ie. 60+), then sure, this is a common view. Younger generations (DPP voters) however don’t really view themselves as Chinese. I think this view will die out eventually.

        Of course, for the most part, this is all off the official record because of the implications. Chinese nationalists will argue that this is wrong because it’s still written in the Taiwanese constitution or whatever, but the truth is that regular people in Taiwan couldn’t give less of a shit about China. De facto, most Taiwanese consider themselves their own country with no legitimate claims to China.

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    Nah, Taiwan only avoids forsaking these claims because doing so would be interpreted as a formal declaration of independence, prompting an invasion.

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    Why people in the west care about this territorial conflict.

    It is clearly a strategic conflict for USA and allies to keep China at distance and reduce their ability to move further.

    But for people to keep talking about it like it is a ( good vs evil ) feels like propganda by USA military or something.

    If we imagine a world where china without Nuclear weapons, so Nato can stop them anytime, I dont think the USA media will care about them.

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          You think the USSR, DPRK, and so on are any different? What definition of communism are you using, my dude?

          I’d we’d like to talk about genocides in countries that don’t say they’re communist? There’s the Holocaust, ^Armenia, ^^Rwanda, ^^^Bangladesh, ^^^^Romania, ^^^^^Greece, ^^^^^^Assyria, ^^^^^^^Serbia/Croatia, ^^^^^^^^Chechnya

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                two defenitions from the urban dictionary

                1. A form of government where the leader is chosen by popularity rather than ability to run a country. “I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; democracy simply doesn’t work.” -Kent Brockman by IKEM (?) on urban dictionary

                2. Taken from the Greek ‘demos’ and ‘kratos’ (‘people’ and ‘power’ respectively), it refers to the system of government in which the entire population effectively rules through a concentrated body which relies on the population’s opinion as a source for its policies. The French Revolution was sparked by ideals of liberty and democracy for all. by ryanM on urban dictionary

                that’s what democracy is

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                  I’m aware of the definition of democracy. I wasn’t aware of the meaning of 56 Chinas - we know fascist types love numerically coded language - 14 words, 18/50, 88, 18, and so on.

                  Looking at the meaning, 56 Chinas sounds concerningly close to ethno-state advocacy, but I figure that’s not the intent.

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      Why shouldn’t we care about the land and people they said they’d take by force if need be? Really?

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      It’s pretty clear that having a strategic partner in that part of the world is a net positive for western counties. Also Taiwan supplies a huge fraction of our computer chips.

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        That they managed to utterly dominate the chipmaking market and use that as a leverage to make allies was a real master move. The pandemic and the whole supply chain troubles giving a wake up call that “all eggs in one basket” is bad sure got them worried, tho.

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      Because Taiwan makes most of the computer chips we use, and the US definitely has a vested interest in China not obtaining that knowledge.

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      Taiwan (or The Republic of China) is a special case in that it doesn’t want independence from the PRC*, but rather they claim that all of China is part of the ROC and is illegally occupied by the PRC. The PRC, likewise, views Taiwan as a rebellious little part of their own country.

      *I learned just now that there’s a political movement that eschews this view and instead just wants sovereignty for the land currently owned by Taiwan.

      Anyway, as far as I know, Ukraine doesn’t make any similar claims to Russia (except for certain contested areas).

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      As a pro-Ukranian Russian: fuck you. If Ukraine will try to conquer a single square inch of Russian land I’ll volunteer to be in factory making tanks, despite being a trans girl

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    I’m so sick of this"West Taiwan" crap. It plays into the PRC narrative that China and Taiwan are inseparable. Most Taiwanese just want to live their lives without needing to worry about China invading. The official ROC territorial claims remain in part due to the 2005 Anti-Secession law of the PRC. The law provides a legal mandate to invade if Taiwan were to declare formal independence. In general the only people in Taiwan who want to govern China are older nationalists.