I am seeing a lot of negative articles on EV’s lately. They are using the slowdown in EV sales as a result of people abandoning EV’s. Yet I believe the slowdown is from high interest rates, inflation on everything, and people don’t have as much money right now because of inflation.
I just seen an article saying the true cost of running an EV is the equivalent of $17.33 a gallon, based on infrastructure, charging equipment, subsidies, etc. This kind of talk makes me sick, feels like some are pushing against EV’s in a big way, twisting the truth.
Coming from true EV owners what do you all think of this?
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There will always be attack articles on ev’s. There have been for years. Intentionally designed to stop people from buying electric cars
Big oil is a huge industry. Many people are looking at job problems when we get rid of ice cars. Plenty of interest to fight it.
Dang it OP, mom said it was my turn to post this thread today!
Also many posts blaming US interest rates.
Might need another “the world is bigger than America” thread as well.
I agree that OP should have specified their perspective was from the USA. However, if you have a different perspective, then please express it. I enjoy hearing how the USA compares to other countries.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
The oilers need to push-back with the EV FUD because it’s becoming increasingly clear that gas stations have become magnets for crimes, including assault, robbery and murder.
Most of that article is just regurgitating propaganda from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Public_Policy_Foundation#:~:text=Donors to the organization include,and other fossil fuel interests. “Donors to the organization include energy companies Chevron, ExxonMobil, and other fossil fuel interests.”
The fossil fuel industry is winning the propaganda war, because our media will report anything that attracts views.
More propaganda by big oil and GOP affiliates
Just look at the primary advertising revenue for the papers running hit pieces.
If you read the story about that “$17.33 a gallon” - and the underlying hit piece - you’ll see how laughable it is. For example, 1/2 of that $17.33 cost is the credit ICE vehicle manufacturers must purchase because their cars don’t meet CAFE standards. They also use a bogus assumption of a BEV lasting only 10 years and 120k miles.
Then they play a bit of a shell game with “high demand” kwh rates which are charged to commercial and industrial customers but not residential customers. They factor that uncharged high demand rate of $15/kwh into the $17.33 number.
ID3 owner here I have paid 55€ for 1241km in the last two months, compared to some colleagues I believe I have saved some money just for going work and home
Given that overall EV sales are way up, at least in the US, but all the automakers are saying demand is soft, I have a guess that all the automakers thought they could take all the demand for themselves, they all went out and most of them made great choices and spread the demand thin between them. So despite very strong demand (which was still showing up in used prices when I traded in my Leaf recently), the demand for each brands vehicle is lower than they had hoped.
All the articles on the topic – and I was just reading another – seem to be focussing on the narrow picture of some statements, rather than the bigger picture that sales of EVs continue at record levels.
The change is inevitable and as people begin to really understand some things about EVs vs ICE, it’ll start going even faster. (What range anxiety really is, how convenient EVs are, how much cheaper they really are, and a bunch of other interesting and curious differences.)
A few things are happening: the IRS rules for tax credits change on Jan. 1, meaning that when you buy an EV the dealer takes $7,500 off at the point of sale (instead of buyers having to wait a year to deduct it from taxes.) Buyers may be waiting for Jan. 1.
Also, gas prices in the U.S. have been declining for 3-4 months, which means the people most sensitive to higher gas prices have stopped thinking about making a move to EVs - for now. Gas prices always eventually rise.
Finally, ICE vehicle sales in the U.S. have been under pressure since 2017. EV sales are holding up really well in comparison.
Also gas prices are temporarily dropping.
The infrastructure as an obstacle articles are so disingenuous. They tend to ignore that network and factory buildout costs are a part of every technologies growth curve. As if there weren’t massive costly investments in building new ICE car plants and gas stations throughout America.
We have a Tesla 3. My husband is an electrical engineer and installed the charger himself, which is admittedly not the usual case and saved us money there. However, he also built and installed a meter over it to actually calculate the electrical usage (it’s good to be married to a science nerd). Rounded off during a six month period since May 2023, the car has cost us approximately $300 in additional electrical usage. The same period for his previous ICE vehicle (2017 Kia Sorento) would have averaged out to about $700. And he is basing this on the lower end of gasoline costs during that period here in southeastern PA, around $3.50 a gallon.
Please take into consideration that the serious EV haters are like most conspiracy theorists. They will overblow anything they can find into “EVs are too expensive, unreliable, dangerous, - EVIL” to support their points.