It is very important for us to “NOT” support any films, shows, games, and whatever form of art and entertainment that tries to use AI to replace human creators.
Greed is going to tear apart every part of society unless we stop it.
What if I make my own videos with actors and/or voices are entirely imaginary? I don’t have the resources to hire a videographer let alone an actor but I can write a script and use AI (and program/script things).
If I make something cool it’d be sad if no one watched it just because it didn’t use real human actors and voices.
As long as you don’t clone someone’s voice without permission, then you didn’t replace any actors imo. There’s a big difference between an indie production using this tech to reach higher than they could otherwise and Disney just not wanting to pay wages.
I would argue that you could still use the voice/face of real people, as long as you add a disclaimer that it’s not real people. Obviously big producers will use AI to cut costs. But the problem does not inherently lie in real actors vs AI. It lies in our capitalistic system not caring about people.
If it’s something for profit by some massive multi billion dollar company, definitely. That’s just pure greed. But some tiny indie game dev or YouTuber using ai voiceovers is quite a bit more acceptable imo.
No one is talking about translation and subtitles.
I am very aware of machine translation, probably more than most people in here. In fact, machine translation started much earlier than this AI craze…like they started massively using machine translation for a decade already. That’s why some of the Netflix translation to foreign language is so shit.
The thing is no one is outraged about machine translation because it is not a primary creative process. This is very different from acting, voice acting, illustration, creative writing, etc. that people care about.
In fact, machine translation started much earlier than this AI craze…
…and has since than switched over to deep learning based stuff like everything else. This “current” AI craze is not new, it has been going on for over a decade if you paid attention.
The thing is no one is outraged about machine translation because it is not a primary creative process.
But reading text from a script is? Seriously? It takes substantial creative effort to translate jokes into something that works in other cultures as well as have the dialog in another language fit into existing lip motions. All of which is now getting replaced by AI. And of course all the voice actors that did the dubs are out of a job as well.
You might have misunderstood. I absolutely understand good translation is art.
I am also disappointed that they are being replaced by machine. There are so many times when I would walk into a movie and notice the subtitle is shit, and then spent the whole time thinking how I would translate that part instead of watching the movie.
The above is just me stating why many people forgot about translators.
Narration is also an art. A good narrator can make the script much more engaging than say…someone just reading from the script. I have seen the difference first hand and it is substantial.
Maybe instead of just blindly ranting about a new technology we should focus on what’s important: the quality of the end product. Do we enjoy movies by real actors or by AI? Like, having some celebrities in place who are doing the acting is also a construct of society. We should be able to adapt and see what’s beneficial to us all. Well, although not really possible because capitalism doesn’t care about what people need or want. Who gets to be an well paid actor and who doesn’t is already a fucked up system deeply rooted in capitalism. I don’t care about the Attenboroughs or Bruce Willis’ of the world (to be clear: extraordinarily well paid people). I care about art that resonates with people and that gives us joy.
Why do you say this is blind ranting? I have listed reasons that I think the situation is unacceptable. My arguments are all against the talking points, not the poster. You are being very rude and making the discussion toxic.
Responding to your enjoyment point:
AI will replace human creators not exactly because it’s better, but because it’s cheaper and more scalable, which means they will be adopted in this neoliberal society.
We are already seeing this in mobile games in China where developers use AI generated art.
You’ve completely ignored all the people who have been replaced by automation and had to adapt as “oh that’s not important enough in my eyes to force companies to use humans”
The future you want is far worse than the one you’re ranting about. Yours has only the wealthy and powerful enjoying protections from automation, while everyone else doesn’t matter (to you, based on your own arguments)
“ranting”? Really? I escaped Reddit because people were unnecessarily rude there. There is a way to discuss stuff without being nasty to each other like you and @flora_explora have been to @sculd.
I have commented many times in favour of labour rights over capital and I have clearly explained why I said what I said above. Check my comment history if you don’t believe it. Stop misinterpreting my intention.
I’m sorry if my comment sounded rude. Reading through your comments again, I cannot say that you were blindly ranting. However, what frustrated me was the complete rejection of a new technology you seem to propose. I think we do agree on many/most layers, I just want to preserve complexity in this discussion. I disagree that machines/AI are inherently bad and we should boycott it. I agree that how AI is implemented in our capitalist society will exacerbate and cause many problems. (But it will also fix many.)
Lets let Bruce willis’ family or val kilmer decide for themselves whether they can work a deal that lets us see their acting or likeness again and they get proper compensation. I’m not going to boycott a production with proper paperwork in place just because they use AI to make fremen eyes blue in a programmatic fashion.
It is very important for us to “NOT” support any films, shows, games, and whatever form of art and entertainment that tries to use AI to replace human creators.
Greed is going to tear apart every part of society unless we stop it.
What if I make my own videos with actors and/or voices are entirely imaginary? I don’t have the resources to hire a videographer let alone an actor but I can write a script and use AI (and program/script things).
If I make something cool it’d be sad if no one watched it just because it didn’t use real human actors and voices.
As long as you don’t clone someone’s voice without permission, then you didn’t replace any actors imo. There’s a big difference between an indie production using this tech to reach higher than they could otherwise and Disney just not wanting to pay wages.
I would argue that you could still use the voice/face of real people, as long as you add a disclaimer that it’s not real people. Obviously big producers will use AI to cut costs. But the problem does not inherently lie in real actors vs AI. It lies in our capitalistic system not caring about people.
South Park has some crazy lawsuits coming, if that person has their way.
I legitimately couldn’t tell they didn’t use the real Megan Markel!
If it’s something for profit by some massive multi billion dollar company, definitely. That’s just pure greed. But some tiny indie game dev or YouTuber using ai voiceovers is quite a bit more acceptable imo.
Agreed. Butterbee’s explanation in this thread is much better than my word.
Is there a specific dollar amount where a creator isn’t allowed to create the way they want anymore?
Have fun boycotting anything that uses spell checker or offers translations and subtitles. There won’t be much left in a while.
No one is talking about translation and subtitles.
I am very aware of machine translation, probably more than most people in here. In fact, machine translation started much earlier than this AI craze…like they started massively using machine translation for a decade already. That’s why some of the Netflix translation to foreign language is so shit.
The thing is no one is outraged about machine translation because it is not a primary creative process. This is very different from acting, voice acting, illustration, creative writing, etc. that people care about.
…and has since than switched over to deep learning based stuff like everything else. This “current” AI craze is not new, it has been going on for over a decade if you paid attention.
But reading text from a script is? Seriously? It takes substantial creative effort to translate jokes into something that works in other cultures as well as have the dialog in another language fit into existing lip motions. All of which is now getting replaced by AI. And of course all the voice actors that did the dubs are out of a job as well.
You might have misunderstood. I absolutely understand good translation is art.
I am also disappointed that they are being replaced by machine. There are so many times when I would walk into a movie and notice the subtitle is shit, and then spent the whole time thinking how I would translate that part instead of watching the movie.
The above is just me stating why many people forgot about translators.
Narration is also an art. A good narrator can make the script much more engaging than say…someone just reading from the script. I have seen the difference first hand and it is substantial.
Maybe instead of just blindly ranting about a new technology we should focus on what’s important: the quality of the end product. Do we enjoy movies by real actors or by AI? Like, having some celebrities in place who are doing the acting is also a construct of society. We should be able to adapt and see what’s beneficial to us all. Well, although not really possible because capitalism doesn’t care about what people need or want. Who gets to be an well paid actor and who doesn’t is already a fucked up system deeply rooted in capitalism. I don’t care about the Attenboroughs or Bruce Willis’ of the world (to be clear: extraordinarily well paid people). I care about art that resonates with people and that gives us joy.
Why do you say this is blind ranting? I have listed reasons that I think the situation is unacceptable. My arguments are all against the talking points, not the poster. You are being very rude and making the discussion toxic.
Responding to your enjoyment point:
AI will replace human creators not exactly because it’s better, but because it’s cheaper and more scalable, which means they will be adopted in this neoliberal society.
We are already seeing this in mobile games in China where developers use AI generated art.
Is this the future you want?
Because it looks like blind ranting
You’ve completely ignored all the people who have been replaced by automation and had to adapt as “oh that’s not important enough in my eyes to force companies to use humans”
The future you want is far worse than the one you’re ranting about. Yours has only the wealthy and powerful enjoying protections from automation, while everyone else doesn’t matter (to you, based on your own arguments)
“ranting”? Really? I escaped Reddit because people were unnecessarily rude there. There is a way to discuss stuff without being nasty to each other like you and @flora_explora have been to @sculd.
I am disengaging. This is not helpful.
I have commented many times in favour of labour rights over capital and I have clearly explained why I said what I said above. Check my comment history if you don’t believe it. Stop misinterpreting my intention.
I’m sorry if my comment sounded rude. Reading through your comments again, I cannot say that you were blindly ranting. However, what frustrated me was the complete rejection of a new technology you seem to propose. I think we do agree on many/most layers, I just want to preserve complexity in this discussion. I disagree that machines/AI are inherently bad and we should boycott it. I agree that how AI is implemented in our capitalist society will exacerbate and cause many problems. (But it will also fix many.)
Lets let Bruce willis’ family or val kilmer decide for themselves whether they can work a deal that lets us see their acting or likeness again and they get proper compensation. I’m not going to boycott a production with proper paperwork in place just because they use AI to make fremen eyes blue in a programmatic fashion.