Hello, Just trying to gain some perspective here as I was at both dealers today and for the first time laid eyes and touched the interior of both the Ioniq 5 and ID4 and I was greatly disappointed with the interior quality of the Ioniq 5 in terms of material choices. Don’t get me wrong, I think the Ioniq looks good, tech is good, and specs are good. It’s pretty much scratchy hard plastic everywhere, even in high touch areas like door armrests. In contrast I checked out 2 ID4s afterwards and was pretty much “blown” away with the materials used - when having just seen the Ioniq 5.
Is this normal? EVs aren’t cheap vehicles and I understand the big part of cost are the electrical components like the battery, but the interior quality alone is greatly steering me towards an ID4 instead of the Ioniq 5… Along with an apparent 3 year wait for the Ioniq 5 AWD in Canada.
Well, the fact is, the IONIQ 5 isn’t “widely more popular than the ID.4"; maybe in your area in Canada it is, but looking at the sales numbers, in the US, the IONIQ 5 sold 25,306 units, and the ID.4 edged it out, selling 27,155 units in the first three quarters of this year. Worldwide, that gap gets even larger, with Hyundai selling 59,793 IONIQ 5 units and Volkswagen selling 101,200 ID.4/5 units in the first half of this year. I can’t find specific sales data for Canada, but overall, ID.4 seems to be the more popular of the two.
I think both the IONIQ 5 and ID.4 are excellent EVs though, I prefer and bought the ID.4 over the IONIQ 5 because it has a higher quality feeling interior; I do agree that the IONIQ 5 feels too cheap for what you’re paying, the e-GMP twin EV6 is a bit better though; the ID.4 is also more comfortable, has more standard content (at least in the US) has an amazing turning circle, has a cheaper MSRP than the IONIQ 5, much better dealer network (at least around me), and qualifies for the tax credit, but the IONIQ 5 has the benefit of being on an 800V architecture and therefore has blistering charging speeds; although the ID.4 with the SK battery is no slouch either, one of the best charging 400V in it’s class, but the IONIQ 5 charges undoubtedly better; the IONIQ 5 also has more available options for example a HUD, more physical buttons, slightly more range and more unique styling (whether you like or not is up to you, I personally like it).
Personally, I don’t think you can go wrong with either.
What does HUD stand for?
Heads Up Display
Heads Up Display
I’m going be that guy and tell you HUD doesn’t stand for Heads Up Display, but rather Head-Up Display. Singular, not plural.
TBF I have never heard this, even after a decade as an engineer at Boeing. “Head-up display” may be common among human factors engineers, where the focus is on cockpit ergonomics, and maybe it was the original use at the Pentagon, but I think both should be considered correct because even in aerospace you’ll hear “heads-up” more often.
Counterpoint https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-up_display
Also, this company called their own product a heads up display https://hudway.co/drive
Thanks for the heads up, on that.
Never heard anyone call it a “heads up display” until the replies in this thread. Sort of assumed everyone knew they only had one head to keep up while driving
“heads up” is an expression. It means “pay attention”, not “articulate your multiple heads”.
Heads up display (typically projects speed and other information above the dashboard so there is no need to take your eyes off the road)
Canada new EV rebate claims database (ID4 and Ioniq 5 both qualify, so assume every new sale in Canada is captured here): https://open.canada.ca/data/en/dataset/42986a95-be23-436e-af15-7c6bf292a2e1
Summarized into a table:
Recipient Province / Territory British Columbia
Row Labels Count
Hyundai IONIQ 5 1655
Volkswagen ID.4 1840
Ioniq 5 is more unique looking, whereas ID4 looks like many other VW SUV, so even within BC it’s about even, nowhere near widely more popular
I’ve never thought that anyone could talk about the Ioniq stereo as better than anything else, the id4 must be really bad because the Ioniq stereo systems (standard / bose) are known for being the most underwhelming part of the car
The ID.4 system is painfully average, until the refresh, it’s the same stereo in every trim, a 7 speaker system. I don’t know how it compares to the base IONIQ 5 system, but I know the Bose in the IONIQ 5 is better.
It must be pretty bad then because even the Bose Ioniq is one of the worst “premium” stereos I’ve seen
I just found out that the VW has drum brakes.
Are you kidding me?!
There is no way I’m stepping 30 years back in time to effin’ drum brakes.
Shame on VW for making a “luxury” vehicle with the most substandard brakes available.
Drum brakes are great for vehicles where that’s all they need. You’ll find lots of 60s and 70s cars still running their original drums long after every disc brake variant of the car has had 2 or 3 sets of calipers and discs. They hold up better in northern climates and areas where roads are salted. They can’t get rocks or debris into them on rough patches of road. They can have plenty of stopping power when coupled with regeneration and shouldn’t have heat cycling issues since they aren’t being used much if at all.
I don’t see a downside to them other than them being an older technology. Older tech isn’t always necessarily inferior.
I can’t accept going back to 60s or 70s technology for something that affects safety as well as performance.
My 2012 ICE needed a brake job at 75,000 miles and again this summer at 150,000 miles, and I’m fine with that.
Drum brakes have much less stopping power and also tend to be much more likely to lock up during emergency/evasive maneuvers. In this case, older tech is absolutely inferior.
Hell, my BICYCLES have had disc brakes since, like, forever.
(Seriously, most bikes made after 1999-2000 have disc brakes)
The ID.4 stops from 60-0 in 119 feet vs. 126 feet on a Tiguan that is lighter and has all-around disc brakes, so the drum brakes don’t really affect braking performance. I never once felt that they were insufficient in our ID.4.
Along with all the benefits u/Infinityaero listed, drum brakes create less drag, and therefore more regen can be done on the rear axle compared to an EV with rear disc brakes.
800v doesn’t really buy you “blistering” charge speeds. You can get the same speeds at 400v - the input voltage doesn’t really matter when the battery cells operate at around 4v and cell temperatures are the limiting factor.
You’re comparing apples and oranges with the sales numbers. In the US the Ioniq 5 doesn’t qualify for the federal EV tax credit, but the id4 does. IIUC Canada doesn’t have the same protectionist (and kinda racist tbh) policy.
Here in Canada I see the IONIQ 5 everywhere but rarely see an ID.4. There’s at least 2 reasons I can think of when I was shopping around last year.