I’ve heard some people treat it as a disabled space, but some who treat it as an electric vehicle charging space first, but it’s “also accessible.” What parking authority is allowed to cite these spaces?

  • Environmental-Let526@alien.topB
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    In California, technically any charging space that is for ADA placards only will have the blue signage and stenciling (ISA). These should not be confused with charging spaces that are ADA dimensioned and CAN be used by non placard vehicles.

    Enforcement is up to the parking space owner and the public. If it’s a municipal parking space including street parking, a meter maid or similar can ticket you. If the space is owned by a building owner, a meter maid or similar AND the building owner may ticket or fine you.

    Also, while typically targeting building and business owners, complaints about meeting ADA requirements can be brought through a lawsuit by ANYONE. I’ve never heard of one brought for parking illegally, but it behooves building owners to get this correct EVEN if an inspector signs off on it.

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    There are citations for parking in ADA only spaces and not having tags. There should be citations for parking in charging only spaces and not having an EV. The combo ADA and charging spaces should be treated similarly. If you meet either criteria, feel free to use it at your leisure, unless there are available charging only spaces, those should be used 1st.

    I think the move could be to add chargers to ADA spaces as they are usually closer to the buildings.

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    are you able to use accessible (ADA) charging spaces if you’re not disabled?

    Dunno about other states: In California it’s unambiguous, if it is marked handicapped and EV parking, you need disabled plates (or tag) AND you have to be plugged in.

    What parking authority is allowed to cite these spaces?

    The police. If the parking space is on private property (like a business), the property owner can have you towed (though I’ve never heard of that happening).

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      In CA and was cited for this 2 weeks ago. I’m currently appealing it based on CA Governors advisement from '12 that these dual use spaces should be primarily for ev charging. I’ll let you know how it goes. For those that think I’m some kind of monster; I saw these spots and researched how they’re supposed to be used before I ever parked and charged there. Apparently the security for the property owner feels the opposite.

      Regardless of how this turns out I won’t be parkingin these spots again. I don’t need the aggravation or risk the $410 fine.

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    1 year ago

    I have a Nissan Leaf with a CHAdeMO connector. Does that count as a disabled EV and meet both criteria when charging? 😁

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    Where I live disabled has priority but you are allowed to use it if there is no disabled person needing to charge

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      … or park. I would say the disabled person can park there regardless if needing to charger or not, EV or not. The disabled person has priority.

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    Mine are all posted handicap spaces, so the same laws would apply. If I was in a bind and had no other choice I might use it, but I wouldn’t leave the car.

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    When I went to Disneyland and stayed at their hotel the EV charger stalls were also marked as handicap stalls. Front desk said it was for both. Definitely check with someone who works there at least.

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    My work has this setup. Its primarily a EV charging space, but if no EV’s are charging it can be used as a handicap parking spot. This is only allowed because there are other handicap parking spots, so this just offers a surplus if no EV’s are charging.

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      Eh, not really. The person that voided the ticket made a mistake.

      It’s pretty unambiguous that the signage means that you must have disabled plates and must be charging. It’s an AND condition not an OR condition.

      Ask yourself this: If you had both regular handicap and handicap charging spaces, what signs would you put up for the latter to distinguish them from the former? The answer is easy: You’d do exactly what is in the photo.

      Right now there aren’t enough EVs to matter in North Carolina, but I guarantee they will stop voiding tickets once enough disabled people complain that all the handicap spots are taken by EVs.

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        No, that’s not how it works anywhere that has clarified it. Nowhere has clarified to say you must be disabled to charge there. They have all gone with OR. In the remaining states, confusion reigns. New spaces must have a certain % of disabled access spaces. The charging disabled spaces are intended as ‘only charge here if you need to’.