With BlueSky moving towards finally opening up federation, I’m interested in how people feel about it?
Would you be open to the idea of Mastodon, Lemmy, Pixelfed, and other Fediverse platforms adopting the AT protocol in order to federate with it?
If those technical hurdles could be overcome, would you support your instance federating with BlueSky?
Does the same go for other commercially-owned platforms, such as Threads and Tumblr?
@ajsadauskas @fediverse Why would existing :fediverse: servers waste breath to support Bluesky’s protocol? Let Bluesky implement ActivityPub - should not go backwards 🤔 Otherwise why even bother?
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@aidasb @gytis @ajsadauskas @fediverse
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
Though smart phone is since 1998, not 2005. ARM based from about 2002.
See also SMS vs Google vs Apple iMessage.
Also Mail on Android isn’t. It’s using Google servers with your settings. You can install real email clients on Android. Also Google has “taken over” SMS & MMS on Android phones.
Don’t adopt AT or negotiate with any platform. Let them adopt AP and don’t give them a seat on development. Google is wrecking Web Browsers.
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I vote for you to be my representative at the federation summit
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@ajsadauskas @fediverse
> Would you be open to the idea of Mastodon, Lemmy, Pixelfed, and other Fediverse platforms adopting the AT protocol in order to federate with it?Hell no. Let them adopt AP which is a standard.
@ajsadauskas I mainly wanna keep Fedi mostly noncommercial and entirely nonproprietary.
@ajsadauskas @fediverse
I expect connecting with BlueSky would do more harm than good, so effort spent making it happen seems not worth itIf we talking about the complete structure of the fediverse changing to connect to a single service (like abandoning Activity Pup and instead using a closed protocol that is controlled only by one company), then definitely Yes that is the worst idea even.
But since many fediverse services will simply not be able to use Blue Sky’s protocol, because it is designed for a very limited use case, I don’t even see why should talk about this.
However if Blue sky would adapt to the fediverse. It would only be a win for us. If they decide to not play by the rules they will be band. Fediverse is very robust and we don’t need to be afraid of anything as long as we stick too our basic principles.
The path forward I think would be some sort of a bridge service. Think of it as a translation layer that could take in updates from both ActivityPub and AT, and present to the opposing side like it were native. Something similar was developed for nostr to communicate with the fediverse, and it seems at least feasible in this case as well.
As someone who’s used both, the way federation works on Bluesky/Atproto is very different to how ActivityPub works. It’s very much a backend thing, letting that do the heavy lifting and prevent the user from worrying about it as much as you have to here, rather than trying to make its fediverse a whole experience.
As for Tumblr, there was talk about bringing it to the fediverse and Wordpress themselves have already allowed users of their hosted blog service to opt-in to this, but have not done it for Tumblr. And Threads? Well, there was a pact to fediblock Threads because of its ties to Facebook, so there’s that.
Unfortunately it seems like development on Tumblr has been reduced to a skeleton crew. I wouldn’t hold my breath for ActivityPub integration on that front now.
Yeah :\
They did mention that they were planning to make Tumblr open-source, which might’ve been why they said that. I could see ActivityPub integration there in that event.
@Flaky @ajsadauskas yeah I think people are being ridiculous acting like this is some plot to destabilize mastodon and not genuinely trying to improve the flaws in activitypub, whatever their other motivations may be
“No billionaires, probably no VCs” has been a very useful razor for me.
Let’s have this conversation once BlueSky is actually open
@ajsadauskas @fediverse why would we trust them?
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Hubzilla will support it for sure
I would like to see some sort of bridge built to allow communication between AT protocol services and ActivityPub protocol services.
Bluesky doesn’t even have an app available for us who don’t have access to the google store. So it is a no go for me.
This came to digital blows over whether to federate with Threads not so long ago. A LOT of us said hell no to letting Meta’s data vampirism and sociopathic surveillance back into our networks.
