The EU is a dictatorship at this point. Every dictator looks good the first few years. People are just overlooking it because they’re part of the problem. How can people not see how risky this is? Apple “should be forced” to do these things, right? What’s next on the agenda?
No, that has nothing to do with dictatorship. These are quite normal requirements and regulations. I just wonder how MacOS has been able to run so well, stable and safely so far 😅
Oh then I guess Tim Cook should resign and let the EU take the role of CEO, and the engineers at apple should start taking advice from you.
Forcing them to put USB C, forcing them to have sideloading (which is lined with all sorts of security concerns which is my main issue here, go buy andr🦠id). What’s next on the agenda, I ask
Why should they accept suggestions from me? No one makes any suggestions at all. These are regulations and laws that companies have to adhere to. USB-C is a good thing. It’s good for everyone that the EU has pushed this through 👍 otherwise we would still have Lightning with USB 2.0 from the iP15Pro from 2008. what’s the point with this security shit. With MacOS, the concept also works. But companies would have to be forced to comply with certain regulations, otherwise they will do what they want.
I pray this doesn’t spread and come to the US, because this will 100% make my iPhone experience worse.
Google, Microsoft, and Facebook at minimum will want to have their own separate stores to avoid the Apple Tax. So that’s 3 new locations I’d have to manage installs and updates from. Nevermind the new risk factor for mom o dad not knowing if they’re installing the right app.
Finally looking forward to travelling the high seas in my big boat
I was hoping Apple would decide to do the whole “a regulatory requirement is actually a great feature we came up with!” and allow it globally.
That being said, there are sideloading methods already. With the EU opening it up, hopefully there will be a much wider ranger of apps to side load.
Could this bring Revanced to iPhone?
There are already similar alternatives like uYouPlusExtra.
I know epic only wants to do things that piss Apple off now.
So I wonder if they’ll bring Fortnite back through side loading only because they know being able to show off their app not giving Apple a single dime will piss be a thorn in Apple’s side.
It’s hilarious how everyone is cheering for sideloading, just wait till Facebook begins to ask mandatory sideloading for info collection, and mass security breach. But yeah, you can get emulators and porns now, hooray, fuck privacy right?
Only nerds want side loading. The majority of iPhone/Apple users don’t know anything outside of the Facebook App. In fact, the majority of smartphone users in general don’t know what side loading is or would even care to know.
I wan’t to know who is actually fighting for this feature? Not just asking for it, but has an actual catalog of apps that are so unique and can’t be found on the App Store. While also having the actual app package file reading to load.
Not me fighting, but the EU for me 👍 For example, there are no emulators in the App Store. Remote cloud PC streaming applications are prohibited in the App Store and cloud game streaming applications are also prohibited.
- Xbox App
It worked just fine for me a few weeks ago testing out a Backbone.
- Safari
The Xbox.com streaming works fine and a couple decent emulator websites run too.
- Steam
I never bothered trying. Even their website they say it’s possible.
Native apps are always better and more powerful than this webapp crap. No GeForce Now app, no XCloud app, no PlayStation Now app, no shadow app. No emulators allowed. Fortunately, that will change next year 😃👍 I’m already looking forward to it.
What if you fly in and out of the EU?
Let the malwares and scams begin!
How does sideloading benefit end customer? What are the risks? Why was this not allowed before?
How does sideloading benefit end customer?
It takes away some degree of control from the company, and gives that control back to you.
To me, that by itself is pretty damn big. It is my device, I should be able to choose what I put on it.
In practice this means that you would now be able to install any app, from any source, made by anyone. Regardless of Apples own guidelines or rules in the app store. This opens a venue for the kind of applications you would not normally see on an iPhone.
Some of these include:
- Porn.
- Emulators.
- Game Streaming.
- Applications using their own payment systems without being beholden to the Apple Tax
- Development tools
- Non Safari browsers
- A whole ton of other things.
What are the risks?
The app Store verifies apps and makes sure they work as they should. It’s not a perfect system but it does a decent job.
When you get an App from the app store you can be pretty damn confident that it’ll work, perform well, won’t contain anything to offensive, and is secure.
When you download an app from an outside source, you won’t really have those guarantees. Obviously there will be apps and sources people trust, just like now if you download something on your Mac/PC, chances are you don’t do that through a store. You got a website and download the app from there.
So you take on some risk. The app might be broken, buggy, it might perform like shit and look like shit, it might try to scam you or whatever else.
Why was this not allowed before?
Most likely because Apple as a company, likes to have as much control over their products as possible. Hence why people often refer to Apple ecosystem as a “Walled garden”. Like things in there are great, but there are big walls around your garden that prevent bad things from coming, but they also prevent you from expanding and exploring.
If Apple can control the single source where Apps come from, it gives them more control over your device. Like in Apples eyes, a game streaming service should offer each game as an individual app. Not something you choose from the streaming service, so game streaming services were banned from App store. Since they don’t follow how Apple wants that service to work on their devices.
Additionally security is bit of a concern since sideloaded apps are riskier than verified apps from the app store. Limiting that can make the device more secure. However ideally, the operating system should be secure enough, that you can’t break the security from a sandboxed app.
Then there’s money. Apple has a rule in the pap store that you’re only allowed to use Apples own In App Purchase system. So if you want to buy something in an app, you have to go through Apple, and that means a 30% cut. However this a rules for the app store, since it’s practically impossible to prevent an app from just asking your CC details or opening a paypal page. So if Apple detects this, they ban the app. This is the main reason Fortnite was banned.
Allowing sideloading means relinquishing control over that in app market. Since now a dude can install whatever they want and bypass Apples payment system entirely.
I think that some of you guys are popping champagnes way too fast. First wait and see how actually Apple implemented it 😉
I guess it will be similar to 3rd party keyboard support. 😃
I fucking hate this so much
I love it. You don’t have to use this opportunity.
I’m not hating on the extra features, I’m just sad that it WILL affect security on my perfectly closed system which I like the way it is
Thank you! Glad to see someone agreeing for once, on this
Nothing changes in your system if you don’t want it, huh?
Question to everyone: Are there any particular apps/programs, you would want to sideload?
Koreader.
- Actual alternative browsers is the big one for me, I want real WebExtension-support
- Cloud gaming
- Programming language interpreters
- I have a friend that says they want porn apps, so for my friend, that
- Anything requiring NFC card emulation besides the few blessed use cases Apple graciously allow
- Proper photo backups (apps that aren’t Photos.app can’t automatically backup, you have to manually launch them)
- Emulators
- Open source software, because the vast majority of projects don’t have any actual income stream to pay for developer accounts
- Anything that Apple deems is already “OS functionality”, see the MDM app crackdown a while back
- etc.
Who would want a porn app that has more permissions to track everything you do?
This is this weirdest one for me
Apps have worse ability to track you than a browser, not better.
- no possibility of using third party cookies
- no possibility to fingerprint you using what modifications your extensions do to the DOM
The only extra information they get about you is a consistent but unique (as in not possible to correlate) identifier, meaning they know its the same device accessing the app that it was the other day as well. But they often know this from IP on the web anyway, and since it can’t be correlated, it doesn’t tell them much.
Lol, the legitimate answer for the majority of people is going to pirating any apps and content they don’t want to pay for.
Probably, but those people wouldn’t have paid in the first place. Also pirating iOS apps isn’t as trivial as some might think.