It surprises the west that a government is so well liked by its citizens. They don’t understand how China is improving everyone’s quality of life. Not like in the US, where it only improves the lives of the wealthy.
"As an American, it’s no wonder our citizens are distrustful of CPC. In addition to a lifetime of propaganda, we have never experienced a government with citizens’ interest in mind
Nearly everyone, if not every single person, in America that will read this has never seen our government and politicians do ANYTHING that would advance the lives of its citizens, no matter how small the action might be. When/if anything slightly beneficial is done, cynical ulterior motives are the reason. Advancement of ruling class interests are the overwhelming reason we get anything, i.e. paltry checks during the covid pandemic.
We have never known otherwise. When Americans see the Chinese government implement policies that increase the wellbeing of the population, their minds automatically assume it’s for nefarious reasons. The thought of a government ensuring their citizens are safe, taken care of and prosperous is unheard of.
No matter the party affiliation, or if they’re avowed communists all the way to the far right base of Republican neo-fascists, everyone knows politicians that make up the government are A.) beholden to capital and B.) out for themselves.
Congress is laughably unpopular, if not right out loathed by all of us. When decades of racist propaganda, fabrication and malicious lies are added to the mix, no one can possibly fathom leadership being altruistic."
Arguably, this is part of cultural DNA of the united states, which forebears arrived to escape authoritarian persecution, and whose Constitution assumes the state is there to deprive the rights from citizens, which must be protected from the state via laws, rather than believing that a state can also work to specifically enact and protect those rights, that without a state there ARE no rights.
I mean the authoritarian persecution was that everyone kept running them out for being hyper-reactionary religious weirdos, and tbh the genocidal settler state they would go on to build has kind of proven their persecutors right
It has been said that the British settlers that went to America arguably didn’t escape prosecution as much as they escaped to prosecute others freely.
Nearly everyone, if not every single person, in America that will read this has never seen our government and politicians do ANYTHING that would advance the lives of its citizens, no matter how small the action might be. When/if anything slightly beneficial is done, cynical ulterior motives are the reason.
This mentality is actually part of the problem: the right-wing talking point that governments never ever ever do anything good. See the Reagan quote about “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.” It’s demonstrably untrue and we shouldn’t fall into reinforcing it from the left.
It’s so unbelievable that a populace would support its government that westerners will invent conspiracy theories to explain it away.
People here would seriously rather believe that all 1 billion+ Chinese people are brainwashed or paid actors than to believe that the Chinese government is good, actually.
We only know the fucked up abusive relationship we have with out own government, and our programmed sense of superiority makes us project it outward.
Damn Xi Jinpig owns Harvard now, the communism is getting stronger than ever in the land of the free /s
those darn see see pee shills are at it again
dem post-modern neo-marxists professors taking over
It’s those liberal Marxist Democrat CCP Biden shills
Hard to sell China as undemocratic while USA has 80% unsatisfied with the state of the country (Pew Research poll from April 2023
They’ve literally just flip flopped, and now insist that being unhappy with your government is the sign of a true democracy.
These are the same people who will tell you to read 1984 to learn why communism bad
I’ve had that conversation before.
“So this book is an analysis of the flaws in communist methodology?”
“I don’t know, I’ve never read it. I just know it says communism bad.”
@yogthos It sucks that if you tell your average Joe this, they will call you every slur in the book.
indeed
Is there a more updated version? The link was published 3 years ago.
Not quite the same thing, but there’s this study from 2022 https://web.archive.org/web/20230105183832/https://latana.com/democracy-perception-index/
Every time I try to download the 2022 report, it fails every single time.
Oh looks like archive shat the bed there, I managed to track down 2023 instead https://web.archive.org/web/20230511041927/https://6389062.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.net/hubfs/6389062/Canva images/Democracy Perception Index 2023.pdf
Strongly recommend everyone read Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher if you have the time. People in the west have it thoroughly ingrained into their heads that governments can not act in the people’s interest, that they simply cannot imagine that a government does. Especially not one like China which is constantly slandered as ‘authoritarian’.
That book is excellent for explaining that phenomenon.
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They may rate it that way, but China is still an authoritarian cencorious government. I’m sure the Uigars wouldn’t rate the Chinese government very highly. Not saying the US government is great, but the Chinese government is more worrying.
You managed like four liberal bingos in three sentences, I am honestly impressed.
“Uigars” lmao this has to be a parody holy shit
You receive 500 FICO credit score points and are eligible to purchase food tonight.
I think this one comment alone filled a bunch of the lib bingo boxes.
I think “using big words they don’t understand to sound smart” was probably one of the squares missing from it tbh. They
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Redd White over here, but I digress
proclivitic tendancy
That took way too long to parse with those intentional typos
It’s funny how you’re criticising me with something that the US doesn’t do, but China does. Don’t make it sound like I’m in support of the US, I wouldn’t want to live there. Probably would want to live in Sweden. But I also wouldn’t want to live in China, for different reasons. It seems like just because China claims it’s ‘socialist’, you think it must treat its citizens well. I’m all in support of true socialism. But China just uses ‘socialism’ or communism as a method to oppress, control, monitor and censor its citizens.
You can tell China doesn’t care about its people by the fact that they did zero covid for months and delivered groceries to everybody, as opposed to the enlightened and humane west, which let that shit rip and killed everyone’s grandma to make line go up
The US absolutely does credit score, without it you can’t take a loan to buy a car or a house and many other things. It is weird that you don’t know this…
China is developing socialism, they are in the primary stage of socialism. Developing socialism is a long-term arduous process, it is not a state of mind. I recommend you reading the Governance of china by Xi Jingping, the general secretary of the CPC, it is a collection of essays and speeches by Xi with a very rich reference section, where a lot of concepts are clearly explained.
China’s economy did not get to this point by exploiting global south countries like Europe/US did, they did it by developing their own productive forces, especially after the ‘Reform and opening-up’, accepting foreign investment to learn from it and modernize the country. They did not let foreign investment run rampant, they had strict conditions that foreign investors had to follow. This is why they are constantly called authoritarian, because they did not let foreign investors run rampart.
Living, and thus working, conditions in China were terrible (and are in many places still) precisely because they were a backwards country that endured decades off exploitation by other countries. But the conditions of the people of china have been getting better and better exponentially since the opening up reform, this is simply a material reality not ‘ccp propaganda’.
Sweden is not ‘true socialism’, it is a late-stage capitalist country; an imperialist country, a country where finance capital rules. Their wealth comes from the exploitation of the global south mainly through the finance system (predatory loans to global south countries, extracting rent forever and ever), like all other european countries.
I’m curious what your idea of “true socialism” is 🤔 In contrast, is “true capitalism” a thing? I’m just asking questions.
The “international community” decides what is acceptable socialism. If it’s too socialist then it’s an evil totalitarian regime.
The emoji reads “us-foreign-policy”. Accurate as hell.
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I don’t want to put words in their mouth necessarily, they’re free to correct me, but given they said they would want to live in Sweden I would wager they are a socdem that thinks the nordic model is peak socialism.
“It WaSn’T rEaL sOcIaLiSm!1!1!1!”
I think the word socialism has been used in so many contexts it’s lost any semblance of a ‘real’ meaning. Perhaps what I meant to say earlier is that China is fundamentally capitalist, same as USA, China just has a more oppressive government. Perhaps China does have a few aspects which are more communist, but it is overshadowed by the authoritarian nature of government.
In my ideal communist world there would be little state interference between small communes of no more than 300 people. Of course, you have to ensure that people aren’t killing or enslaving each other, but otherwise, don’t monitor for example, their internet usage - which both China and USA do, although China a little more openly, and for more things.
I think we can both agree that our ideal world would be nothing like the USA as it is today, but would your ideal communist world be more like China, my scenario, or something else entirely?
China is fundamentally capitalist.
Read what rjs001 put.
China just has a more oppressive government.
Who told you this? Radio Free Asia? The Western media slanders China and many other countries all the time. In reality, the Chinese government is one of the most democratic in the world. Also, apparently a government which is trusted by 89% of their people, according to a WESTERN source, is oppressive. Name any recent police killings of unarmed people by Chinese police. Name any instances of American police doing the same thing.
Name how many children China has bombed to death since 1949. Name how many children the United States has bombed to death just from that time period to today.
In my ideal communist world
We don’t live in an ideal world, we never will live in an ideal world, we have to live in reality. We have to study the conditions of reality and determine what is the best society we can make considering these conditions. We can’t just try to create a society based on what we feel is best.
but it is overshadowed by the authoritarian nature of government.
Electing your own leaders is pretty authoritarian, isn’t it? Also, read the “China just has a more oppressive government” part again.
there would be little state interference between small communes of no more than 300 people.
Realistically, how would such a society function? Why can’t we still have big cities which require the work of millions of people every day just to prosper? How are we even going to turn these big cities into small communes anyway? How are you going to get people on board with the idea in the first place? How will these communes work with each other? What would happen if some of these communes decide not to work with any other commune? What would happen if some of these communes produced essential goods such as insulin, which diabetic people need to not die. If there is no state or governance of any kind to prevent this from happening, how can it be prevented?
but would your ideal communist world be like China, my scenario, or something else entirely?
It would not look like any of those because, again, we do not live in an ideal world, and we are not even certain what a communist world would look like. What we do know is that it would not look like China, because class distinction would have gone away which would cause the state to lose its function and thus wither away. It would not look like your scenario either because the socialist state would focus on centralizing, not decentralizing the means of production. This, the socialization of the means of production, is what the process of socialism looks like. The idea of there being “small communes of no more than 300 people” would most likely only exist in the minds of some people and not in reality. Entire cities would not be divided between a bunch of small communes, they would be united as that is the most realistic way to create an organized society which allows people to have access to necessities and luxuries that such a society produces. To get to a moneyless, stateless, classless society, we cannot just try to instantly create it, as we live in a world where the capitalist state will just come in and take that over. We will need a state that will fight against the capitalist class and help us develop a centralized, socialist society. Otherwise, our “communist” society would not look like communism, it would look like neo-feudalism.
“Small communes of no more than 300 people”
This sounds an awful lot like uhh well I think you know…
This reads like parody, holy shit. I couldn’t do a fake lib comment better no matter how hard I try. Ticks all the goddamn boxes.
We must learn from this to become better shitposters.
Oh, you’re a “Sweden is real socialism” kind of person. You posted cringe. Also capitalists and western nonsense are censored. It’s time to give up the spiritual opium, bro.
You think the decaying capitalist military empire with a nuclear first-strike policy who’s upper military ranks are all Christian fundamentalist psychos is less worrying?
America is on the downswing, hard, and China is pulling further and further ahead as it is. Who do you think has more to gain by doing something crazy to distrupt such an arrangement? America, like all empires before it, has never taken well to humiliation, and is already halfway through going fash. I don’t think you give enough credit to just how ugly we get when the illusion of fineness becomes impossiboe to maintain.
Ah yes, the USA might be an abject horror show, but CHINA will always somehow be worse!
I made a comment here yesterday about this hoax.
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