If you check my comment, I will show you my current Dying condition that I have been able to test on the field.
It’s 80 % the one from XP to level 3, with a few things changed and actually used in a DND game :)
Enjoy
If you check my comment, I will show you my current Dying condition that I have been able to test on the field.
It’s 80 % the one from XP to level 3, with a few things changed and actually used in a DND game :)
Enjoy
Dying: at the end of your turn make a flat check against DC 10. If you succeed remove one from your Dying Condition. If you succeed by 10 (eg. you roll a natural 20) remove two from your Dying Condition. If you fail to succeed add one to your Dying Condition, if you fail by 10 (eg roll a natural 1) you add two to your Dying Condition. You are no longer incapped when you are at Dying 0, add one to your Wounded condition. If you have reached Dying 4 you are dead and can only be resurrected through magic. When next time you get the Dying Condition, you dont start at Dying 1, instead you start at Dying 1 plus your Wounded Condition Value.
When you’d rather be playing Pathfinder
Ye. Which I do :)
I’m a big fan of the use of a dying condition, or at least being reduced to 0 hitpoints being referred to as dying, just because it’s so clunky to accurately refer to it at the moment.
The thing I can see in yours that is perhaps an oversight (perhaps planned) is that anything that is designed to modify all saving throws such as the monks proficiency in all saves or the paladin’s aura of protection would make succeeding by 10 or more easier in a way that’s not currently covered by requiring a natural 20. (Both of these abilities currently apply to death saving throws but do not make natural 20s easier of course). Also bless, and any bonus to all saves from magic items work on death saving throws too. This also impacts the ability to fail by more than 10, making it effectively impossible without a different homebrew feature creating a penalty to the roll.
Seperatly you call it a check, which means it wouldn’t be impacted by these saving throw alterations but would be impacted by anything which alters all ability checks such as the bard’s Jack of all Trades, or more concerningly, the combination of the rogue’s reliable talent and any way to gain proficiency in it, which is basically an automatic success.
There are a few currently niche cases where characters gain a bonus to all saving throws or specifically death saving throws which is intentionally factored into the power of the feature, and makes them exciting and useful, that are either hugely buffed (depending on how you rule their use) or totally discarded in replacement to other features that weren’t balanced around this ability.
Something I do love in this is the ability to introduce the wounded condition outside of being unconscious. Imagine how scary something like a nightwalker would be if it’s aura didn’t do necrotic damage but instead just forced a con save Vs getting a point to your wounded condition.
Personally the way I’d handle this is to make dying a condition that is basically identical to the death saving throws mechanic currently in 5e, but have it reset when you gain hitpoints by any means, if then disconnect being unconscious from it entirely at a mechanical level and just say if you gain hitpoints when unconscious you may choose to instantly end the condition. This would mean everything that currently works in the game to offer a bonus to death saves remains, and in very rare cases, you may make death saving throws while not unconscious, either counting from there when you fall unconscious or dying while on your feet at 3 failures.
I’d also change taking damage while unconcious to just force you to make a threatened dying save, which is just like a normal death saving throw except you don’t mark a success if you get 10 or more, you may only fail. This means that you can wail on an unconscious PC without worrying about killing them without agency. I’d probably also make the spare medicine checks function as a protected dying save, where you can’t fail and can only gain a success on 10 or higher.
Edit: I didn’t know this was pathfinder, I just assumed it was your homebrew for 5e.
Its a Flat Check. You take a D20 without any bonuses or penalties and compare it against a target number (DC10). No traits, no abilities, no effects are accounted in that check.
Just so you know, the Dying i was listing is from Pathfinder 2nd Edition, not DnD 5e.
I realised you were talking about PF2e after reading other comments, I’m not too familiar with its rules so I didn’t recognise it.
Are flat checks not altered by features that alter all checks in PF2e? There is no ‘flat’ terminology in the RPGs I’m familiar with so I just presumed it would be altered as it would be in 5e.
Yeah, in PF2E a flat check is used when you want something to be completely unmodified. A DC10 flat check would be a 55% chance for everyone.
Outside of this case, when do they come in use? It seems like an unconventional design choice as it’s basically chance, outside of the occasional luck check or death saves, where does it come up?
I’m mostly asking as my experience is very 5e centric.
The common ones besides death saves are hindered attacks. When grappled you have to make a DC5 flat check in order to get an attack in (grappled being different from restricted, which means you’ve essentially been pinned and are unable to attack).
Attacking a hidden creature (you know roughly where it is) requires you make a DC 11 flat check.
Attacking an undetected creature (no idea where it is at all) requires you make the same flat check but rolled blindly, so you won’t know if your damage actually hits the creature or not.
There are other cases for flat checks, some random encounter tables use them for example, but they mostly tend to be GM oriented rather than player oriented.
This sounds way too complicated. It probably was the intention. Nice trolling. Doesnt help but heh.
It might seem a bit complicated if you’re only used to 5e, because core mechanics like conditions work rather differently in Pathfinder, but it’s honestly much more flexible than 5e’s system. Rather than having an abstract number of passes and fails, you have a single number that fluctuates up and down. Less things to keep track of.
You do have the wounded condition on top of that, but it helps counter the thing you see in 5e where people pop up and down repeatedly with no consequences for repeatedly being beaten unconscious.
Not trolling. Just listing how Dying works in Pathfinder 2e. And since it’s c/rpgmemes (and not just dndmemes) I thought, hey post it here.
Huh. My apologizes. It sounded like a trolling post. Sorry. Indeed it does fit here.
“I play Pathfinder”
“Nice trolling”
This sub in a nutshell
My dear simple friend, the word pathfinder wasnt mentionned. I saw a complicated ruling and thought it was trolling, not from another system.