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They will have to pry my iPhone 13 mini from my cold dead hands! Small phone gang unite! ✊
I want a smaller smartphone but not an iPhone. It’s sad that Apple is the only manufacturer still producing reasonable sized phones. Small phone gang unite and push for other manufacturers to follow Apple on this one!
Unfortunately even Apple has announced they are discontinuing their smaller phone, citing poor sales, so it seems the small phone gang is too small to have any market power.
Small people want small phones. Small people have small hands. Small hands can’t carry very much money.
It’s simple economics.
Lol. You would think that, but I’m a small person counter example, and the market is proving there are more like me than those who want small phones.
I don’t believe the small phone gang is small, we just have one option: a pretty expensive iPhone mini.
I want a small phone but not an iPhone, I have no option therefore manufactures assume I want a humongous phone. That’s flawed logic.
I was going to say that the Mini should be pretty cheap now that it’s two generations old – the 13 is down to $629 new, after all, and the Mini ought to be $100 cheaper…
But it looks like Mini demand has actually driven prices much higher than the normal 13. Strange, almost as if there IS demand for small phones…
almost as if there IS demand for small phones…
There is but the demand is small. The smaller the demand gets, the more they flock to whatever options are available.
Small supply means just about any demand change can have a big impact on price.
Apple doesn’t care about used phone pricing, and until they announced the discontinuation nobody really paid any attention to the 13 mini for a while.
If it is actually a larger demographic, then it would be huge opportunity for any of these other phone makers, especially those that are struggling. I highly doubt they are all unaware of the opportunity to make a smaller phone, so I suspect they have stayed away because they don’t think it will be a profitable market.
As production quantities go down, costs go up, and with the lower prices that these vendors sell at compared to Apple, their margins are already much thinner, so they have much more risk than Apple in introducing a smaller phone unless they are confident there is a large enough market for it. They simply have much less wiggle room than Apple in which to create a profitable product out of a smaller phone. Since Apple is pulling out and the others haven’t even bothered to try to compete with them in the decade that this big phone trend has been trending, I don’t think there’s any other conclusion that we can draw other than the small phone market is not large enough to pursue, but I’m open to other possibilities.
Edit: Someone else mentioned the small Asus Zenphone, which was also discontinued due to poor sales. That means at least one other manufacturer tried to make a small phone, and they came to the same conclusion that Apple did, so I see even less reason to doubt them.
ZenFone isn’t small, it’s the same size as a regular iPhone/Pro, not the Mini, so I can’t see it proving anything about small phone demand that couldn’t equally be applied to a regular iPhone or S23 etc. It also isn’t discontinued.
What about Asus Zenfone?
Discontinued after the 10 🥲
ASUS has denied a previous report about the possible shutdown of the Zenfone division. The company issued a press statement, rubbishing claims from a Taiwanese media outlet that reported that the Zenfone 10 would be the last flagship in the Zenfone line.
https://www.androidauthority.com/asus-zenfone-division-shutdown-official-statement-3358842/
Thanks for the news, you made my day! I have an 8 which still works very well. I was on the verge of getting a 10 while I still could…
Did they cite any reason for the discontinuation?
Lack of sales
I don’t believe the small phone gang is small, we just have one option: a pretty expensive iPhone mini.
You have it backwards. You have no options because your gang is too small. You used to have options but the market has moved far far away from that.
They haven’t made it in two years now. They stopped with the 13.
Right, but I’m pretty sure they never said anything about discontinuing it altogether when the iPhone 14 came out, and most people just assumed they were just skipping a year on it. It wasn’t until right before they released the 15 lineup that they said the smaller phone was actually discontinued.
They never officially discontinued the mini line in the first place. They just didn’t release new models after the 13. The announcement that they discontinued it was that they were discontinuing production of the 13 mini, which they had kept making alongside the regular 13 after the 14 lineup was released. Up until the release of the 15s, you could still buy the 13 mini new from Apple. Discontinuing the 13 mini killed off any way to buy one new.
There’s still strong rumors that they might use the mini frame for the next SE model. It has pretty close to the same external dimensions as the 3rd gen SE, but would bring more screen real estate in the same package since it would be edge to edge instead of have the bezels. And it would also fit the rumored “release a mini every few years” strategy since they only release an SE every couple of years anyway.
The SE cannibalized mini sales because, for the most part, people that wanted the smaller size cared more about price than features, and the SE was the same size and quite a bit cheaper. Replacing the old iPhone 8 based SE with an iPhone mini based SE would kill two birds with one stone. It would let them use up a bunch of the excess stock they have laying around due to the poor sales, would bring the mini to a lower price point which would make it more popular, and would remove the competition between the SE and the mini.
Yeah, we’re saying the same thing, but for the sake of brevity, I might have spoken in a way that led you to believe I’m saying something else. I did not know about the rumors of the new SE using the mini frame, so that is some slightly good news for the small phone gang.
They say that all the time because it disposes of the issue without them needing to provide any evidence.
What’s your alternative theory?
What do you mean?
They don’t want to make a product. They say “consumers don’t like it”. You ask for evidence. They say it’s confidential, or they deliberately sabotage the availability of the product and say, “see?”
It’s standard marketing.
I’m asking for your theory as to Apple’s reason for cancelling the small phone since you don’t believe the reason they’ve provided.
Deciding to make or not make a product is not a simple thing. Lots of decisions are part of it.
They just don’t want to talk about it and want you to buy one of their other products.
Yea i wanted iPhone mini as well but it’s hard for me to miss abilities such as using OG Firefox (not some stupid skinned safari) with ublock origin and NewPipe.
There is the samsung galaxy base line up of the ‘S series’.
The base galaxy s is the same size as a base iPhone. 6.1 inch screen.
There’s nothing mini about it in the least. The iPhone mini had a 5.4 inch screen.
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Asus makes small phones (for now).
I still have an SE 2020 and now wondering if I can get a Mini. I had a 6+ and got rid of it because it made my hand cramp. I hate big phones.
Fellow 13 mini user here, and I’ve never loved a phone more.
Damn, Steve Jobs got his posthumous hooks in ya
They won’t. It’ll break and you won’t be able to repair it before then.
iphone 13 is gaint! I don’t I’m on the same page as you lol
People have been saying this for the last 5 years and will continue saying this for the next 5 years. They make less smaller phones cuz people don’t buy them
That will be a side effect of them locking abitrary features behind the bigger and thus more expensive models, if there was feature parity smaller phones would probably still be the norm.
Yeah, I only got the Pixel 6 Pro because of the zoom lense…i would not have chosen it otherwise. It’s too big…
Me for the pixel 8 pro. I’d rather the regular pixel 8 but if I’m going to keep this thing for 7 years (which I will; typing from a pixel 2) then I want it to be as feature rich as possible. Not looking forward to how big it’s going to be when it finally gets delivered
Good lucky keeping it for so long… I’m having lots of little issues with my 6 Pro…
There is simply less space inside smaller phones to add same features and battery as a larger model.
And then they can’t justify small model having same, high price as pro versions, so they cut features to go along with reduced price.
There are some features that just can’t be equal between a bigger phone and a smaller one (or would require gimping the bigger phone) like a bigger screen (obviously), bigger battery and more size for larger camera sensors
Not true. Many of the smaller phones on the market have additional features that the bigger ones don’t. Or at least they used to when they existed.
If you can figure out a way to cram all of the shit in a 15 Pro Max into a form factor the size of an iPhone 4 not only will Apple suck your dick in the form of a well-earned half million dollar salary but you’ll likely get a Nobel Prize for breakthroughs in quantum computing and also making atoms smaller.
Is this bait?
No, I agree with his point. Features do take space. Maybe we can make space for a headphone jack (🙄), but consumers demand more cameras, with a larger sensor, faster and more power hungry processors, bigger batteries. With any space limitation (even the Pro Max comes with a space limitation because it can’t become an iPad…) there are feature tradeoffs, and obviously a smaller phone will fit fewer cameras, less cooling, a smaller battery, etc.
Of course they do. The S23 for example is smaller than the iPhone 15, was the same price on release (came out Feb 2023) and has features beating the iPhone 15 Pro Max, a much bigger and more recent device. Most features/hardware on the bigger phones exist in smaller phones, most of the extra space on larger phones is usually just taken up by a larger battery anyway. They can go watch some teardowns, look into all the software locked features like with the recent Pixel 8 phones, instead of blindly jumping to the defence of these mega-corporations who only want to upsell.
But yes, obviously some features are a lot harder to fit in a smaller space, but I thought that was the obvious asterisk to my comment. Perhaps they should spend some R&D on figuring that out though, rather than rehashing the same devices year after year which is just leading to e-waste.
(I’d love the 3.5mm port back too, but they all want to sell their wireless ‘buds’ now, so not going to happen for that reason alone :c)
So in other words it wasn’t bait and you fucking knew that but you wanted to be willfully obtuse.
Are you that dense?
It’s a very realistic example of what you would have to do to cram all of the shit from a large phone into a small phone. The features that are cut aren’t fucking “arbitrary” unless you want to classify every feature difference as “abitrary” thereby making your definition of arbitrary meaningless.
So yes, it was bait.
Sure, just make it fatter.
That solution has been rejected every time it has been tried.
Rejected by who though? And has it really? All phones used to be fatter
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As a woman: I’d love to use bigger phones - as soon as they give me pockets I can fit them into.
It’s one of the reasons I find foldables so interesting. The Google Pixel Fold has the perfect form factor. If only it wasn’t so expensive…
I feel like hopefully with a potential paradigm shift, maybe one SIM card and number shared between several devices, one large phone or tablet for work or movies and a smaller feature phone for on demand urgent communications, we’ll hopefully see the market for OEMs open up a bit wider and allow for further competition/collaboration across the whole portable electronics sector
Absolutely untrue. It’s a heat dissipation issue. iPhone minis had so many issues with heat they can’t make em anymore.
Apple wants you to think that bigger phones are better only because they can’t make them smaller.
There was a time where 7" was a damn tablet (looking at you, my old pal nexus 7)
7" plus an inch of bezels on each side. A Nexus 7 was nearly 10 inches.
Those bezels are useful though. The bigger and heavier the device the better grip you need in it.
Modern devices try to get around it with crazy accidental touch recognition that works some of the time. But older tablets with bezels give you a place to grip it without the need for touch rejection.
I miss my bezel’d phones. It was nice having something I could grip onto that wasn’t screen.
Using diagonal screen size to measure phones doesn’t work because of bezels and taller aspect ratios. The 5.5" iPhone 6 Plus (2014) is pretty much the same size as the 6.7" iPhone 15 Pro Max
I actually carried a 7 inch tablet in my pocket before it was cool, bezels and all. This was back on Android 2.3 when people would moan about tablet UIs and say that it’s just a giant phone, to which I would say: Yea, and having a giant phone is awesome.
Personally, the Pixel 5 was the perfect size and weight for a phone.
No bulky cameras. No thick chassis. No glass adding pointless weight. Very usable as a one handed device. Symmetrical bezels.
Typing this from my pixel 5. The best sized phone ever. I think imo the use case for big ass 15 feet phones is a little overkill. Most people are just buying it because it’s “premium”.
I’m still using mine.
I still have mine on my desk but it has a screen issue so it’s unusable. I still pick it up just to feel it. It’s just so good in the hand.
Currently using an Essential Ph1 running Lineage (Android 13) and I’m about to switch to a Pixel 4a of all things, because of size, weight (its plastic), cheap as hell (so I can keep a hot spare around and do testing for a low cost), and it has one of the highest NIT ratings of any unlockable phones.
The 5 looks good too, just not as bright, slightly larger, and a little heavier.
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My son has the 4a and it’s a great phone. Same size as the Pixel 5 too.
From what I’ve seen online, the 5 is trivially larger (like 1mm each way).
What drives me to the 4a is the brighter screen, slightly lighter, and plastic. So when I drop it (not if), it’ll bounce better.
Also, they’re cheap as hell from Walmart of all places, about $100, lol. So I can afford 2 or 3 of them for the cost of a newer phone that has performance and features I really don’t care about.
Yeah I wish my 5a was a little smaller, it’d be perfect. Still been a great phone so far. But my screen is scratched to hell because I forgot to put a protector on it.
Add a screen protector - it can hide the scratches.
The s23 is basically the same size as the pixel 5.
https://m.gsmarena.com/size-compare-3d.php3?idPhone1=10386&idPhone2=12082
S23 will cut your palm with its sharp edges though
I just don’t get on with Samsung devices. The software bloat ruins their great hardware for me. That’s an amazing looking phone though.
5 years ago, I would’ve agreed, but it’s pretty good today
My perfect phone would be a galaxys s5 with modern camere processer and compatibility with graphene os
Pixel 5 is great, but 4a was perfect
Nexus 5 was a good size for me, this 4a is too big to be comfortable. If rather have the bezels back, too. Much easier to use without 100% screen coverage.
Yeah, its super annoying that you can’t grab phones without touching the screen
Puts the virtual keyboard uncomfortably low, as well. I didn’t mind the buttons having a dedicated space.
I recently busted out my Pixel 5 (currently using Pixel 7) to try out Lineage OS and absolutely love how it feels in my hands. It’s light and easy to reach all of the screen with one hand. Man I miss that phone.
Nice. And with Lineage its fast, root and add Kernel Adiutor to really tweak both performance and battery life.
The day mines dies I might just not have a phone lol
Pixel 3 and Samsung S4 and j series were good
Ooooh nexus…
My Nexus 5 and 5X were the best phones I had ever owned, period
Hey, your Nexus 5X has called… actually it can’t because its still stuck in a bootloop.
That is deadass how it died and I was big sad
Same for me actually. In my case it died during travelling, which was also super inconvenient. Then it got repaired, even for free although slightly out of warranty. Then it happened again shortly after. Such a dumpster fire of a ticking time bomb.
My 5x was the best phone I owned because I paid 250 for it and got that back from my credit card warranty and then another 450+ from a class action against LG.
my first ever smartphone was the 4. it was my favorite for the longest time. i kept using it as a backup and i have 2 others I’ve harvested for parts. i love how easy it is to take old phones apart :D
6 was the best, period. Could still be on sale today and be an awesome phone
I believe the (old but still decent) best small Android is the Samsung s10e
Except for the Bixby button, I mostly like my s10e. I have large hands, but still wish it was slightly shorter.
Have you looked into remapping the button? I use Button Remapper and I have it configured to open Google maps and Spotify
That’s still my current phone. Newer phones just look so absolutely massive.
Same, holding on for dear life with my S10E. It’s the best form factor, great power button finger print reader, dual SIM, I mean, what’s not to love. (battery is kind of meh, but I’ve added a halo ring and a magnetic induction battery).
What’s the point of a small phone if you’re going to stick a big battery to it?
My phone is big, but I don’t need an external battery. I’m curious to see the size and weight comparison between my phone with a big built in battery, and your phone + battery combo.
Using this right now. If they revived the galaxy mini line (~4in screen) I’d absolutely buy it.
What irks me about the larger phones is that there is so much wasted screen real estate. The phone doubled in size, but can only show me half the number of items on my shopping list?
That sounds more like an iPhone problem than a large phone problem. You have complete control over both text size and display scaling in Android.
Google and Android aren’t perfect but fuck man I love Android.
Buttfuck Man, my favorite super hero of all time. Can’t wait till he gets his own movie.
And this wasn’t just any but fuck man. It was the “perfect but fuck man I love”!
I just wish phones would get thicker, instead of longer. So they can fit beefier batteries.
I’d love to be able to charge my phone like twice a week
I’m currently in the market for a new phone because Samsung ended security updates for my current one, not because there’s anything wrong with it. And I’m noticing that my choices seem to be buy a phablet or buy a total POS.
Remember when Samsung made a flagship phone in multiple sizes, and then also made a giant phone so big it had a built-in stylus? It wasn’t that long ago. Now the flagship phone comes with a stylus.
Look into rooting it and putting a different Android rom on it, I’m sure there’s something for your phone to extend its life quite a bit.
…unless you’re tired of that phone.
Yeah, I’m still weighing that as an option.
It’s dumb, but I’d sort of hate to take a nice, private rom and then sully it with Google Play services so I can get the apps I have to use for work.
You may want to take a look at Fairphone if you want a phone that gets updates for a long time. The current one will be supported at least until 2028, maybe 2031.
I’d love to get a fairphone, but the 4 is only available on T-Mobile (or it’s MVNOs) which doesn’t work for me, and the 5 has no plans for a US release.
'merica, land of the free, and of shitty carriers 😅.
I just want phones that are shorter. They keep getting longer, which means more risk of breaking, and means the keyboard is unusable in landscape since it blocks the textfield.
Conspiracy part of my brain wants to say thats by design… To artificially increase sales by replacing broken ones.
Same reason they sealed up the phones so you couldnt replace the batteries/repair them.
as far as conspiracies go I think you could probably do better
not everyone is bold enough to artificially slow down the phone to frustrate you into upgrading like Apple did.
Just saying, we need a sub called “inconspiracies” where every post is literally just a known (or assumed) fact that sounds like a conspiracy
Months ago my coworker and I were joking that something similar would be a funny podcast, then we both went no. No one should ever do this….it would not end well.
Jtlyk, you can use a custom keyboard, like Swift Key. Many have the option to scale according to your preferences.
I bought an unlocked pixel 7a because of lots of custom roms once it goes out of support
It’s huge and doesn’t have a headphone jack or SD card slot but it’s very fast and has a good camera
My dream phone would be:
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Unlocked bootloader
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Replaceable battery
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Small
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Expandable storage
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Good camera
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IR blaster
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Updates provided for a long time
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Stock Android
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Very durable
I’d add NFC to that list because mobile payments are awesome.
ir blaster gang gang
The closest you could get is the fair phone, its not perfect but once its available where I am I’m thinking on getting it.
I’d buy that phone for sure. Sounds hella good.
The Samsung flagships (s22, 23) are the only “small” phones, but they’re actually pretty good. I’ve been using Samsung for a few years now and it actually improves on the things that annoy me with stock android.
Nah personally I would trade SD card support for headphone jack any day, but hey I get why they got rid of it, something to do with the environment
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Agreed.
Manufacturers seem to think that we all need a massive screen to watch films and play games on.
man I just miss being able to type and reach all corners of the screen with one hand without having to be a contortionist or accidentally clicking on the one-handed keyboard that I never actually use because I’ve already resigned to always using two hands anyways
I’ve since realized that you can turn off the one handed keyboard completely but the fact that it has to exist at all still annoys me
It’s not the manufacturers fault that your and my hand sizes haven’t kept up with demand. /s
I think it’s part of a push of making your smartphone your “everything” device. I love small phones but I will say that some tasks are just impossible with them.
I guess most people browse the web and that’s why bigger screens work better. I happily bought bigger phones. Some people like to pretend phones are for calls but that’s just not true IME.
I just find a smaller screen easier to operate.
The size of the pixel 7a was a good compromise.
Also agreed. However the manufacturers know how many of each device they sell and seem to think the smaller form factor devices aren’t very popular. I imagine there’s multiple reasons, like the smaller phones tend to also have lower battery life and lack other features due to size and they tend to appeal to people on tighter budgets that upgrade less often.
I want a small phone with easy replaceable battery and a plastic sturdy screen.
A plastic screen? Doesn’t that get scuffed up really easily?
Plastic will get scratched, but won’t shatter. I honestly think a plastic screen with a glass protector is the ideal option.
I actually went opposite on my Pixel 8. A matte tpu screen protector gives you a self-healing protective layer that feels like paper and doesn’t have glare. A beautiful bright display with a high refresh that feels like a kindle.
I’m still on my pixel 3 which is line at the cusp of the size i can handle. I want smaller but every new phone is bigger. It’s so infuriating.
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So it is. I wasn’t ready for a new phone when it came out and I’m still not a fan of punch hole cameras. I’d rather have a forehead and chin.
Same, lots of accidental screen presses on my 4a.
I’d rather the HTC stereo speaker bezels
Curved screen edges are also the worst for that. The glare on them also makes them mostly useless visually. Don’t know why they caught on so much
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The #a line is usually a bit smaller then the flagships. The 4a was the perfect size. 3a was huge compared to it. 6a is slightly larger than the 4a. The 6 is massive compared to the 6a
I’m on a pixel 3 also. The size is important but the front facing speakers are amazing. I can’t find anything else like it.
cries in Pixel 6a I miss my pixel 3…
My phone is about 15cm (~5¾ in) tall, and to me, that’s the absolute maximum. It’s slightly too big. The width, about 7cm (~2¾ in) is totally fine.
This (Galaxy XCover 5) was the smallest phone that seemed to exist (and I wanted one woth durability, removable battery, SD slot, headphones etc). It was very expensive though.
Trying to find cheaper ones for various people in the extended family, they all specified “oh, not bigger than my current one”, but it was impossible. There’s basically nothing less than 16cm tall, and most are even bigger.
I’m scared of this one breaking. The XCover 6 is 17cm x 8cm.
Galaxy S23 is 14.6×7.1cm, so almost the same.
That looks perfect - until I saw it’s £850! My current phone was about £250, which was more expensive than I wanted - but the only one that was small enough and had the dust/water/drop-off-a-ladder resistance.
Still, those S23s may be cheap in a few years when they’re “old” :)
Xperia 10 V is 15.5x6.8 cm. Might be worth a try
That’s not bad actually, still bigger though - but not by as much as most :)
I remember the last time this got brought up and I complained about my thumb not being able to reach the other side of the iphone 3 mini. Well, I tried the Samsung Z Fold the other day and I really like how narrow it is to the point where my thumb can effortly reach the other side when the phone is folded. Perhaps I’ll get that phone in the future when my current iPhone 13 mini dies. At the same time, I do enjoy my Apple Watch though and I appreciate the longetivity of the iPhone compared to other brands.
It’s a nice idea, but I’d be worried about the wear and tear on the folding screen. I can’t imagine it would hold up through the years of use I put phones through.
This is the angle that makes me reconsider folding phones. Either fold direction, and you’ve got a smaller screen that’s usable in one hand.
The Z fold is 67.1mm across in folded mode. The iPhone 12 & 13 Mini is 64.2mm.
So that must be my the cover making my iPhone hard to reach, gotcha. Though I suppose I wouldn’t expect to use a cover as thick if I use the fold
My friend got the original galaxy fold and kept it until this year when she bought a fold5. She still has the original fold as a backup phone, too. I’m not sure longevity is necessarily a worry, by that metric.
I got the fold 3 and the one thing that suprised me above everything else is how sturdy the phone is. How durable it is. Ive had it for just over 2 years and i domt think i will upgrade when the contract ends. Its exactly what i need and is still working perfectly without a scratch on it.
Have the new Z Fold after years of owning borderline-phablets and the usability is much better. My previous phone (Galaxy S20+) felt too big and painful to use one-handed, yet typing with two hands felt awkward. This splits the use cases. Slim one-hand phone on the outside. Mini-tablet typing monster on the inside. 🤌
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I appreciate the longetivity of the iPhone compared to other brands.
I used my galaxy 4s mini for literally a decade.
