oh okay as long as it’s on pc we don’t care. cool. Honestly I have such a hard time with the video games community. for a long time I was a big supporter of the idea that a certain company shouldn’t be buying up exclusives because games should be for all.
but as soon as Microsoft started doing it, everyone has this apathetic response suddenly because “i got mine”. As soon as the shoe is on the other foot gamers show themselves real quick.
Because Nintendo and Sony are doing it too, but at least Microsoft is putting their games day one on PC… They’re going to make their games exclusive one way or another, but this is preferable to the way other companies are doing it.
This whole thing has confused the ever loving balls out of me. Xbox and Microsoft having been getting MURDERED over the last few years and ridiculed by pretty much everyone for one reason and one reason only, they have no games. Why get an Xbox? PlayStation and Nintendo have all the good exclusives. Xbox has nothing.
Now, Microsoft goes out and buys up some IP’s and studios that have games they can make exclusive if they want (even tho they’ve said over and over they won’t for the ones that currently aren’t console exclusives but we’ll see on that one). So, for the first time in pretty much forever they’ll have the opportunity for console exclusives other than Halo and now everyone is complaining that they’ll make the games console exclusives. It’s like the biggest damned if you do, damned if you don’t for them lol.
“Fuck Xbox they don’t have any good exclusives.”
Microsoft goes out and gets good exclusives
“Fuck Xbox they’re making the good games exclusive.”
That’s not quite how this works tho. Microsoft doesn’t make games. Sony doesn’t make games. The only exception is Nintendo but even they outsource a ton of devopment to studios like 1-up studios, monolith soft, retro studios etc. These companies just make a console that plays games and then they try to buy rights to good games or studios so they can make their games exclusive to that console to bolster sales. Sure, sony and microsoft could pour tons and tons and tons of money into creating their own studios i guess that make their own branded games but they have decided to focus on hardware sales instead. This is especially true for microsoft where the xbox is just a small part of the business where the PC market is their focus.
From a business standpoint, it makes 10000% more sense to just try and acquire other businesses that do the work under you and you just publish their games. Which is why nintendo, sony, and microsoft all try to do it so much. I mean Sony alone has bought 14 development studios since last year.
Both MS and Sony absolutely produce their own games with wholly internally established studios. MS game studios existed before Xbox even.
I’m not sure what the rest of your point is even about, of course it makes sense for MS and Sony to short circuit work and risk, that doesn’t make anything better for consumers. The better option for consumers is for MS and Sony to build their own franchises and have good exclusives that way rather than taking existing third party franchises and limiting access.
Especially if they released a really successful game and then they released a really bad one that got them sued by their shareholders and they had to issue a public apology but internet sentiment is somehow still positive. Especially if that game had a $163 MILLION marketing budget.
It’s modern advertising. Just start a friendly discussion on social media about your product or service with some purchased or fresh accounts, or just upvoted anything positive and downvote anything negative! Imagine the effect you could have on discussions if just a single person focused on this 8 hours a day for weeks, compared to organic discourse.
People worry about Russian or Chinese botfarms but don’t stop to think that corporations are the ones with the most to gain from altering public perception worldwide.
yes, this is the part where I gave up trying to say
“Hey it’s bad these guys make their games exclusive, pc players and xbox players and whatever should all be able to play these games”
because now fuck it, why bother. pc players and xbox players do not care as soon as they got theirs. they won’t show the same support as soon as they get their games.
Why should I show support for players on other systems, if players on other systems will not show the same support back?
Sony players don’t care as long as they get theirs
I used to, you generally saw the sentiment of “this isn’t good for us, we dont’ want this”, now everyone is suddenly okay with one company owning all this stuff because it comes out on pc.
It’s hard to care about people complaining about exclusivity anymore, because they only care when it affects them personally.
Thats arguing in bad faith, given that even after the buyout, Zenimax still produced games on the other devices. Arkane Lyon (deathloop), ID interactive (Doom), Tango Gameworks(Ghost Wire Tokyo), Mojang(Minecraft) and auch still produced games for other consoles, despite being owned by Microsoft.
Microsoft puts its developers games on other devices more often than the reverse. Its only within the past few years that Sonys been putting about half of its titles on PC.
It won’t fulfill your apparent need to have people pat you on the tummy and say you are a good boy but:
PC more or less is THE second platform (or first, with console as second) for a lot of people at this point. So if the option is:
Studio goes out of business because a great game didn’t sell amazingly well. See Mimimi for a “good” example of this
Soft or hard acquisition results in games trapped on a single platform with questionable backwards compatibility policies. Bayonetta 2 and 3 being nintendo exclusives until the end of Nintendo is a “good” example of this
Soft or hard acquisition results in game that is console exclusive to one platform, but also on PC
I’ll always pick 3. Because as console prices increase? A “couple years old” gaming PC is not horrifically expensive (so long as crypto stays in the shitter…).
But also? Shit like Geforce Now and other streaming solutions means that people (who don’t live in the ass end of nowhere and have such horrible internet they wouldn’t be able to download the day one patches anyway) can play these games on their macbooks or even their chromebooks.
It won’t fulfill your apparent need to have people pat you on the tummy and say you are a good boy but:
Okay, we know where your head is. but i’m going to engage anyway just to say that i’m looking for solidarity, and not finding it. I’m finding selfishness. Previously I was in support of not having things exclusive, I didn’t want it, It didn’t benefit me. but I’m not seeing that support back from pc gamers like you.
Do you think it’s okay for me to say “it’s okay for final fantasy games to be exclusive to one system, you should have bought a playstation”. are you happy with that statement?
People will constantly point to grey market sites like g2a and even gmg (g2a is really more of a black market site but…) and smugly mock anyone who DARES to buy a game new. Everyone cheers for (one of the daddies of gamergate) Total Biscuit’s mantra of never preorder and will insist that publishers and devs are trying to nickle and dime/steal from them for daring to release DLC for a three year old game.
And then we wonder why studios shut down.
So no, you aren’t looking for “solidarity”. You are so self obsessed with not getting what you want that you are recontextualizing it as everyone else is taking things away from you to get what they want.
Because: I would love it if there weren’t giant conglomerations of studios. But then I remember how some of the best studios out there, such as Digital Extremes and Larian, have stories of “Yeah, it was make or break and we really lucked out with getting in on the ground floor of some new concept or marketing gimmick”. Like, we would not have Baldurs Gate 3 if Larian had waited even a year or so longer before starting the D:OS kickstarter. Because rather than people saying “oh shit, we can get a new classic CRPG” it would have been “Fuck kickstarter. It is all vaporware. You are a fucking mark if you give them money”.
And if the choice is between having a different publisher on a game and hoping that enough folk from Obsidian end up in the same place to make another Pentiment or Tyranny? Fuck it, I’ll gladly let whoever keep the lights on.
I’m confused. You’re angry because you want games on the PlayStation? Nobody forced you to buy it. There are plenty of good games on there, and Sony do the same. I’m not crying that Bloodborne isn’t on PC. (not publicly)
Also, your wording was CONSOLE exclusive, so my comment pointed out that they’re not only on consoles, which is great! They’re open for more people to play.
Just get a PC and play everything! (except bloodborne)
Of course games should be everywhere, but exclusives sell consoles.
To answer your question about PC gamers, it’s not that we don’t want games to be everywhere, its because they already have the system where all the games go, so why should they even think about it? We don’t care about your console wars, just get a PC and stop complaining.
There is no way that Gamepass is going to remain a good value once it’s past trying to get new members in the introduction phase. I would give it at most 2 years before the enshitification really takes hold. It could be merely months since they are trying to look good to regulators right now.
Don’t forget console exclusive.
Or just windows store exclusives…
I’ll eat my fine leather hat before I use that dog shit store again.
Keep in mind that that’s extra special because I don’t own a fine leather hat, so I gotta buy one first.
If you want to eat a leather hat, just do it man. You won’t get arrested. I swear.
This is the real hell
That’s not so bad now gamepass is a thing, usually they’re on pc at launch
oh okay as long as it’s on pc we don’t care. cool. Honestly I have such a hard time with the video games community. for a long time I was a big supporter of the idea that a certain company shouldn’t be buying up exclusives because games should be for all.
but as soon as Microsoft started doing it, everyone has this apathetic response suddenly because “i got mine”. As soon as the shoe is on the other foot gamers show themselves real quick.
Because Nintendo and Sony are doing it too, but at least Microsoft is putting their games day one on PC… They’re going to make their games exclusive one way or another, but this is preferable to the way other companies are doing it.
This whole thing has confused the ever loving balls out of me. Xbox and Microsoft having been getting MURDERED over the last few years and ridiculed by pretty much everyone for one reason and one reason only, they have no games. Why get an Xbox? PlayStation and Nintendo have all the good exclusives. Xbox has nothing.
Now, Microsoft goes out and buys up some IP’s and studios that have games they can make exclusive if they want (even tho they’ve said over and over they won’t for the ones that currently aren’t console exclusives but we’ll see on that one). So, for the first time in pretty much forever they’ll have the opportunity for console exclusives other than Halo and now everyone is complaining that they’ll make the games console exclusives. It’s like the biggest damned if you do, damned if you don’t for them lol.
“Fuck Xbox they don’t have any good exclusives.”
Microsoft goes out and gets good exclusives
“Fuck Xbox they’re making the good games exclusive.”
There’s a third way here though, MS could make good exclusive games themselves and leave Activision available for everyone.
That’s not quite how this works tho. Microsoft doesn’t make games. Sony doesn’t make games. The only exception is Nintendo but even they outsource a ton of devopment to studios like 1-up studios, monolith soft, retro studios etc. These companies just make a console that plays games and then they try to buy rights to good games or studios so they can make their games exclusive to that console to bolster sales. Sure, sony and microsoft could pour tons and tons and tons of money into creating their own studios i guess that make their own branded games but they have decided to focus on hardware sales instead. This is especially true for microsoft where the xbox is just a small part of the business where the PC market is their focus.
From a business standpoint, it makes 10000% more sense to just try and acquire other businesses that do the work under you and you just publish their games. Which is why nintendo, sony, and microsoft all try to do it so much. I mean Sony alone has bought 14 development studios since last year.
Both MS and Sony absolutely produce their own games with wholly internally established studios. MS game studios existed before Xbox even.
I’m not sure what the rest of your point is even about, of course it makes sense for MS and Sony to short circuit work and risk, that doesn’t make anything better for consumers. The better option for consumers is for MS and Sony to build their own franchises and have good exclusives that way rather than taking existing third party franchises and limiting access.
Astroturfing is a very real thing that major companies participate in to sway public sentiment.
Especially if they released a really successful game and then they released a really bad one that got them sued by their shareholders and they had to issue a public apology but internet sentiment is somehow still positive. Especially if that game had a $163 MILLION marketing budget.
It’s modern advertising. Just start a friendly discussion on social media about your product or service with some purchased or fresh accounts, or just upvoted anything positive and downvote anything negative! Imagine the effect you could have on discussions if just a single person focused on this 8 hours a day for weeks, compared to organic discourse.
People worry about Russian or Chinese botfarms but don’t stop to think that corporations are the ones with the most to gain from altering public perception worldwide.
yes, this is the part where I gave up trying to say
because now fuck it, why bother. pc players and xbox players do not care as soon as they got theirs. they won’t show the same support as soon as they get their games.
Why should I show support for players on other systems, if players on other systems will not show the same support back?
Sony players don’t care as long as they get theirs
Nintendo players don’t care as long as they get theirs
Who cares? Fans will be fans.
I used to, you generally saw the sentiment of “this isn’t good for us, we dont’ want this”, now everyone is suddenly okay with one company owning all this stuff because it comes out on pc.
It’s hard to care about people complaining about exclusivity anymore, because they only care when it affects them personally.
Thats arguing in bad faith, given that even after the buyout, Zenimax still produced games on the other devices. Arkane Lyon (deathloop), ID interactive (Doom), Tango Gameworks(Ghost Wire Tokyo), Mojang(Minecraft) and auch still produced games for other consoles, despite being owned by Microsoft.
Microsoft puts its developers games on other devices more often than the reverse. Its only within the past few years that Sonys been putting about half of its titles on PC.
Most of those were preexisting contracts they needed to fulfill. You’re the one who’s arguing in bad faith.
Emphasis in most, they still put effort into doing so, more so than the reverse, who doesnt even touch the console side.
It won’t fulfill your apparent need to have people pat you on the tummy and say you are a good boy but:
PC more or less is THE second platform (or first, with console as second) for a lot of people at this point. So if the option is:
I’ll always pick 3. Because as console prices increase? A “couple years old” gaming PC is not horrifically expensive (so long as crypto stays in the shitter…).
But also? Shit like Geforce Now and other streaming solutions means that people (who don’t live in the ass end of nowhere and have such horrible internet they wouldn’t be able to download the day one patches anyway) can play these games on their macbooks or even their chromebooks.
Okay, we know where your head is. but i’m going to engage anyway just to say that i’m looking for solidarity, and not finding it. I’m finding selfishness. Previously I was in support of not having things exclusive, I didn’t want it, It didn’t benefit me. but I’m not seeing that support back from pc gamers like you.
Do you think it’s okay for me to say “it’s okay for final fantasy games to be exclusive to one system, you should have bought a playstation”. are you happy with that statement?
Where is the “solidarity” with the devs?
People will constantly point to grey market sites like g2a and even gmg (g2a is really more of a black market site but…) and smugly mock anyone who DARES to buy a game new. Everyone cheers for (one of the daddies of gamergate) Total Biscuit’s mantra of never preorder and will insist that publishers and devs are trying to nickle and dime/steal from them for daring to release DLC for a three year old game.
And then we wonder why studios shut down.
So no, you aren’t looking for “solidarity”. You are so self obsessed with not getting what you want that you are recontextualizing it as everyone else is taking things away from you to get what they want.
Because: I would love it if there weren’t giant conglomerations of studios. But then I remember how some of the best studios out there, such as Digital Extremes and Larian, have stories of “Yeah, it was make or break and we really lucked out with getting in on the ground floor of some new concept or marketing gimmick”. Like, we would not have Baldurs Gate 3 if Larian had waited even a year or so longer before starting the D:OS kickstarter. Because rather than people saying “oh shit, we can get a new classic CRPG” it would have been “Fuck kickstarter. It is all vaporware. You are a fucking mark if you give them money”.
And if the choice is between having a different publisher on a game and hoping that enough folk from Obsidian end up in the same place to make another Pentiment or Tyranny? Fuck it, I’ll gladly let whoever keep the lights on.
I’m confused. You’re angry because you want games on the PlayStation? Nobody forced you to buy it. There are plenty of good games on there, and Sony do the same. I’m not crying that Bloodborne isn’t on PC. (not publicly)
Also, your wording was CONSOLE exclusive, so my comment pointed out that they’re not only on consoles, which is great! They’re open for more people to play.
Just get a PC and play everything! (except bloodborne)
I used to say that I think it should be. Now I don’t. why don’t pc gamers want to support games being available everywhere?
Of course games should be everywhere, but exclusives sell consoles.
To answer your question about PC gamers, it’s not that we don’t want games to be everywhere, its because they already have the system where all the games go, so why should they even think about it? We don’t care about your console wars, just get a PC and stop complaining.
‘Madmen elevator meme’
There is no way that Gamepass is going to remain a good value once it’s past trying to get new members in the introduction phase. I would give it at most 2 years before the enshitification really takes hold. It could be merely months since they are trying to look good to regulators right now.
Is gamepass dies the Xbox on pc store will too… Then they’ll come grovelling to steam and the deals come back 😅