Who tf gets a hard-on for NK? They’re one of the most backwater places on the planet and that’s not hard to see. Then again, why deal with the ethical ramifications of that weird tankies hole you’ve dug yourself and why not instead make it all nice, cozy and fact-free in there?
Anyone who has ever done any research on North Korea knows that they are the absolute worst in the world.
The Nazi’s were comparatively civilized. In NK they imprison and torture your extended family if you ever expressed any critical thought about the regime, or even if you are caught with the wrong books.
It’s the absolute bottom barrel of what humanity is capable of, at the same level as the Trans-Atlantic slave trade.
The Nazi’s were comparatively civilized.
I don’t doubt that the NK regime is beyond awful, but this is a hell of a statement, ~11 million people were murdered just because of their faith, sexuality or political leanings.
If I had to choose to be a Jew in nazi Germany or being targeted by the regime in North-Korea, I would choose the Nazi’s 10 times out of 10.
And I know exactly what the Nazi’s did, so I don’t say that lightly.
Any sources to back up what you’re saying?
Edit: the fact that I’m being downvoted for asking for sources says a lot about the denizens of Lemmy.
Read any book written by a North Korean escapee.
The first one I read 20 years ago was this one:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyes_of_the_Tailless_Animals
But many have been written since then.
ah, but have you considered… something something cia something usa something north korea good?
Very valid point dear sir, I shall consider something bad something good, China, USSR, USA and Korea.
Thanks.
Doesn’t work, they dismiss all testimonies as fake western propaganda.
They honestly get under my skin when it comes to NK. So many people suffering under their tyranny and they go full on denial or blame US shit.
There are a lot of NK defectors who had suffered so much. They will be more than pissed off to see how some people just go this bad… and I feel for them.
I know a few guys who did time as kids in gulags who would love to explain to these tankies what justice looks like under “socialist states”
Loyalists, that’s who. People who’ve declared their allegiance to a team and therefore must defend anything and everything their team does, because criticism is betrayal.
They think that’s all you’re doing, by the way. They think that’s all there is.
That’s normal for them. I was once “educated” that my country was a shithole before the Soviet occupation and I should be thankful. I hope that one day someone will treat them the Soviet way if they love it so much - execute them because they have an opinion that differs from what’s acceptable.
Oh yes, I’ve been told by Russians how the Czech are ungrateful towards the ever so gentle Soviets who gave them freedom from nazis and treated them so well. They only hate Russians because they are brainwashed by western propaganda.
They unironically believe this shit. Běš domu, Ivané
Yeah, I’m never gonna be thankful for them setting us back by years.
What sort of revisionist bullshit are you trying to bring up here? They didn’t execute you for having a different opinion as sometimes they just put you in a slave camp aka a gulag like my former boss was at thirteen. Though to be fair he has no idea why he was imprisoned.
Time to get educated, you “revisionist bullshit”.
Here’s a story of our national hero, Milada Horáková who was executed by communists for made up bullshit reasons.
Look, history is a hobby of mine and I’m from a country that was occupied by Soviets. Don’t you think that when I say something about all those fun times, I’m probably right?
So if you’re a tankie troll, congrats, you got me engaged. If you’re not, please refrain from using such language when you obviously don’t know enough about the topic.
Next time try “Do you have any source for your claims?” instead of “What sort of revisionist bullshit are you trying to bring up here?”.
Average tankie response. Ignore the actual arguments and just say but USA did something wrong. Ofc they did, but that’s not the point here.
But what the US did/does isn’t an unrelated wrong to the question of what’s wrong with NK. Why’s it a poor backwater country? Maybe it’s because it was devastated by a war and then blockaded from the rest of the world so it didn’t have access to trade. Why do they have such a paranoid defensive stance when it comes to dealing with the world or potential dissenters in the country? Maybe it’s because there is a super power actively out to destroy them and they’ve seen what that super power has done or tried to do to a lot of other countries with leftist movements. Why is the US making them an enemy? The claim that it’s because it’s a dictatorship doesn’t really ring true when you know the US has backed brutal dictatorships both in the Korean War and elsewhere in the world because they better aligned with their geopolitical interests than a communist state would.
I don’t know if it’s some perfect place either. I just don’t think it’s right to form your opinion based on info that’s being filtered through the propaganda of the country that’s actively opposed to the country. So much of what we’re told about NK seems too absurd to believe unless you’ve already bought into the narrative that they’re a cartoon villain country. So I can’t specifically say I support the particulars of the NK gov because it’s hard to know what’s true about it. But I feel confident history justifies my opposition to US attempts to interfere in people’s rights to self determination.
What publication/news source would you recommend for information regarding North Korea? Normally I try to go with refugee stories or South Korean media where possible, but they have a big US partnership so I can see why that wouldn’t be the best in a bias sense.
From what we hear from north Korean defectors to Japan and South Korea, it does sound like a bit of a cartoon villain country, but no more unbelievable than Mao’s China, so it’s within reason for me.
If your generals put on 70+ war metals and there hasn’t been a conflict in 55+ years…maybe it’s a cartoon villain military. And I hardly doubt the US relationship is with the intent to destroy them, if the US wanted to destroy them we’d set up a proxy war with insurgents on the inside like we did the other 50 times and we’d stop our food and aid deliveries. I think the country is filled with people who are under the thumb of a leader who has religious god-emperor level brainwashing of previous generations. Despots gonna despot.
North Korea also has a land border with China and Russia; trade could happen between these countries without being affected by the West.
North Korea definitely takes action to save face in the international community and tries to show itself as an independent country, but there is definitely a vibe that the government keeps the people poor as a way to maintain control.
You think people in DPRK are exercising any self determination? They have a hereditary head of state which should indicate that almost no one has any freedom to determine how they are lead.
Criticizes US for installing a dictatorship in the south while unironically defending the dictatorship in the north.
Sometimes I wonder if tankies if just have a big word doc of talking points open that they copy and paste incessantly.
They do actually. It’s from Dessaline’s github page, you know, the creator of Lemmy. They also ask for sources and links in their private circles for when they are “dunking” on liberals.
Their definition of liberal: anyone who doesn’t completely agree with them and push the same narrative.
Maybe it’s more of a random generator. Any class awareness would support freedom for the people in NK
Also unironically calling North Korea a democracy.
But they have votes and it totally doesn’t matter that there is only one party to vote for or that the party decides who will run and win.
I forget that North korea claims to be communist because in my mind i have them as a feudalistic governance or a type of monarchy.
Necrotocracy, mausoleocratic, etc.
This is my biggest problem with the tankies. They support any state claiming to be communist no matter how far that is from reality. Most “communist” states are closer to a monarchy or fascism than actual communism.
They are not feudal as they do not have vassals. They are closer to a monarchy.
To be fair DPRK are not nazis or any kind of fascist. They are a hereditary autocratic state that would be called a monarchy if their head of state had a different title.
Also to be fair most “Marxists” on lemmy seem to have no real education in political science, history, or political philosophy so you cannot count on people to be educated.
It cracks me up when they brag to each other about how they “read theory” all the time. It’s like the Trumpers who “do their own research”. They’re reading some echo chamber article think piece that just reinforced what they already think. They need to read something like History of Economic Thought, or New Ideas on Dead Economists.
These insulated groups that just run around shouting that only their narrow vision of the world is the right one are always filled with stupidity. There’s never one simple answer. There’s rarely one ultamite truth. The world is shades of gray. So are economic systems. Anyone who wants total communism, socialism, or capitalism is a fool. The tankies that tout how amazing China is without realizing they really aren’t even communist anymore is just something else to me particularly.
Tankies will tankie
This is like, one post responding to yours. What was your response to their claim and how did you refute what they said? Is that cut out of the screenshot or am I missing something?
Yeah you cut the part out where you’re saying fuck peace and unity with the North. That really undercuts the sentiment of “People are suffering” when you’re also indicating a support for war and division with those “communist pigs”.
I mean come on.
