It’s about as bad as the time when Cloudflare went down and like, nearly 75% of everything reliant on it went down with it or was confiscated. Like, you couldn’t even log into your online banking because Cloudflare was wedged between you even accessing it.
I guess people forgot that so we’re going through the rounds again with this outage.
and gives customers yet another wake up call on why it’s bad to depend on Microsoft let alone any one company for critical operations…
Companies are stuck with Windows because that’s what the workforce understands and there is nothing remotely close to Active Directory. They’re stuck with Office because nothing can replace Excel.
Lemmy: “I’ve been using Linux for years. These companies are so dumb.”
Moron here. Whats so unobtanium about Active Directory?
Wondering that myself. MDM is pretty wide spread and Mac has great centralized management with all the invasion of privacy the org admin could ask for.
They’re only stuck because they want to be. There are many ways to skin a turnip.
If I recall correctly, there was a intention in a European country to switch a department to a fork of OnlyOffice, but “there was too many bugs and incompability issues that it didn’t make it reliable”, and the employees still had access to Microsoft 365, so my bet is that some tried it and when they don’t understand it they kept using Microsoft Office.
Please if anyone else have more info please share it, I remember hearing about this from TheLinuxExperiment.
https://github.com/Euro-Office/desktop-apps
Still in development, but some packages are ready to run.
Remember, it’s not just document apps and such, it’s connection and collaboration that MS provides. Some of it is quite complex on the backend so it can look simple on the frontend.
Thank you for the context.
it’s like people who crashout on drugs, and then blame the drugs instead of their choice to become dependent on it in the first place.
There are other options, and it sucks that schools don’t have a technology class that goes over all of the different types of systems. Like, we learn about planets, religions, empires, but no, let’s not let the people in on the fact that open source exists . . . .
I get what you’re saying but “choosing to become dependent” on drugs is… icky, addiction is a disease. Maybe we need to start treating capitalism as a disease too not something the very vast majority of us are “choosing to become dependent on” it’s simply the best or only solution we currently have access to that seems to solve our current problem, even if it creates more in the long run. People need help and guidance not judgment and holier than thou attitudes
I agree with most of this, but while it is a disease and addiction does require help and support, you really can’t take the volition out of it. Generally choices are involved and in most circumstances we are all accountable for our choices.
Are we accountable for our choices when we are influenced so strongly by society to agree with the status quo? I see it all the time, people just repeat what’s socially acceptable, and many of us were taught blindly accept big brands like Microsoft, Apple, Google, etc. . .
I just used drugs as an example, because it’s almost like people lose volition when they are swayed by social forces to almost never question the status quo, because like addiction, there’s a bond with the familiar.
I’m an ideal sense, capitalism is supposed to give us choice. That’s the promise. That’s why we’re supposed to be able to “vote with our wallets”.
Unfortunately, maintaining that ideal requires regulation, otherwise we end up with oligarchies.
Now, where can I find capitalism?
Don’t worry, after MULTIPLE Azure meltdowns, Crowdstrike, DDoS attacks, DNS problems, certificate problems, and more, I’m sure THIS will be the one that gets people to deeply examine their relationship with technology.
I’ve seen BBC covering this. I fucking yelled into my screen—
In other words, that’s not going to change. Obviously, not a single word about ‘hey, Microsoft is incompetent’ but rather ‘oh silly we, the humanity is too dependent on tech!’
These camels have double reinforced backs. And they already swapped knowledge of their business processes and control over critical data for a slightly cheaper (year 1) it contract. Stupid camels.
It certainly seems to get the most media attention of any of the previous outages that I can remember.
It’s because the outage went on for a very long time (over 24 hours to get Outlook operational again!) and more and more companies continue to migrate critical services to “the cloud” (someone else’s computer) because Microsoft convinced company leadership that it’s “more reliable” and that relying on a single vendor for everything is totally okay and can never go wrong.
So many companies don’t think about hot/warm spares or multi-vendor failover strategies any more because they outsource their thinking to Microsoft or Google. I’ve seen plenty of cases where companies were only able to recover from major issues because they had fully redundant backups or failovers at another vendor (one example - in this case they did it right, with multi-region redundancy on Google Cloud in addition to full backups on AWS - so they were able to recover from Google accidentally deleting all their data)
Who would have thought that the switch between the analog way of doing business with pen/paper/phone/filing cabinets would be the way cheaper and less intrusive method of doing business when compared to ideological tech. The local drug store who sold me my receipt book never once tried to persuade me to get a monthly subscription for anything, ever. I’ve come to the firm conclusion that I can easily go back to waiting 6-8 weeks for delivery.
So Star Trek (and Battlestar Galactica) having people carrying padds around made sense as they didn’t depend on the cloud?
Galactica (2004) didn’t even have networked computers, except that one time they did.
I suspect that institutional knowledge about dealing with Exchange’s quirks is slowly going away as older employees move to other teams, companies, or retire, and are replaced with younger people who think they can solve everything using AI.
Microsoft’s been dealing with email for a very long time, starting with Microsoft Mail in 1988 then Exchange in 1996. Most of the newer features are just bolted on to the older systems. There’s plenty of legacy cruft in Exchange server (similar to how Windows 11 still has bits from Windows 95 and even icons from Windows 3.0 in it) and that’s the same codebase they still use for Microsoft 365 email.
What’s this about a Microslop outage?
Yeah I’m sure they’d be much more stable running their own. That always is cheap and has a ton of reliability.
Guys, it’s a few hours of free time. Daddy, chill.
These people either weren’t around or don’t remember how shaky the internet was before websites started moving into huge DCs. Now they take stability for granted, shit kittens whenever anything falls offline, and educate us rubes as to what the cloud is and what a dumb idea it was.
