I should probably establish up front that I don’t personally assign Lenin much importance as the final authority on what does or doesn’t count as imperialism. His most regular role in my life is that I occasionally call one of my dogs “little Lenin” because of his bulbous forehead. This is the proper scale of Lenin’s authority in my home: historically relevant to a degree, politically unavoidable, and also useful for insulting a beloved pet with a dramatic skull

But if the authoritarian left wants to point at Lenin like he is the one true authority on the definition of anti-imperialism, then fine. We can do that, even though I find it incredibly silly. If Lenin’s framework is going to be invoked every time someone wants to argue that Russia somehow doesn’t qualify as imperialist, then it’s worth asking what Lenin actually meant, instead of treating his name like a little red rubber stamp that says “America bad, everyone else innocent.

Found this while reading some things online, thought it would be great.

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        “Opposing imperialism is so Imperialist.”

        WTF? There is only one empire on this planet, and Russia is helping liberate the developing world from it.

        This 👇 is all you need to know about the West’s adversarial relationship with Russia.

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            America is arming over 80% of all dictatorships currently, and that didn’t start with Trump. 750 foreign military bases! Using the word empire for anything else is just intellectually dishonest.

            Be real.

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              Oh… so according to your ridiculous abstractions Nazi Germany and Showa Japan wasn’t imperialist, eh?

              Putin is an imperialsit… and so are you.

              Again… give it a rest, tankie.

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          Seems legit.

          Edit:

          Huh, there’s a bunch of 2 week-ish old accounts posting divisive/inflammatory shit all over lemmy. I’m sure they’re all real people with absolutely no agenda at all.

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            .ml must have gotten new funding by Russia this month. Why else would they spin up new alts in October?

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              My pet theory is that with Ukraine hitting data centers they’re having to revert to good old fashioned flesh and blood shills.

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            At least saying something beyond ad hominems. Seems more real then you, and I’m not even doubting you’re real.

            You stare at someone’s profile when you got nothing.

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              It’s like you’re typing through a portal from mid 2000s reddit: you’re not good at this.

              I think a different line of work might suit you better. I heard there’s an employer hiring near you that’ll give you a $44,700 signing bonus.

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      argued at the United Nations that it only counts as colonialism

      Might just as well have the casino bosses decide what counts as gambling addiction, then.

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    I don’t really see the point of reading a wall-of-text if the headline spells out the obvious well enough - but yes, Lenin probably would classify Putin’s Russia as imperialist.

    I, meanwhile, would happily classify Lenin as an imperialist - and I’d do the same for the Soviet Union he helped to create.

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    Ain’t reading all that but yes, any marxist who had read Bukharin, Lenin and other marxists who had done analysis on imperialism knows that. Unfortunately, marxism has been suffering from its fair share of modernizers and falsifiers, most notably stalinists (ML’s) and it’s ideological offshoots (maoists, national socialists, communizers, eurocommunists, etc) who more often than not take up campist stances and distort material reality or texts and end up supporting “”“anti-imperialist imperialism”“” because it goes against the west. There’s no use bringing up Lenin since they operate within an entirely different worldview.

    Anarchism has pretty much the exact same problem though, there’s a lot of ‘anarchists’ here who go through the exact same mental hoops to support Ukraine for exactly the same reasons for instance.

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        @LocalAreaMan@lemmy.ml appears to be the poster child parading just how idiotic campism can be. Bravo! Well done! We need a good example to point at so the kids know what to look out for.

        Thank you for your service.

        Fucking tankies.

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          My camp is whatever camp is killing Nazis. It could be vampire werewolves from the black lagoon, IDGAF.

          Watching Chechens stack the bodies of Azov Battalion like cordwood on the streets of Mariupol was my Super Bowl. 🍿👍

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            My camp is whatever camp is killing Nazis

            Then why do you ally with Russia? They’re the Nazis needing to be killed.

            Slava Ukrani