Another one coming in hot. What exactly are the steps you think americans should take? Go step by step and fill in the blank. You can add steps if necessary.
Oh yes, because I never have free time where I just want to scroll memes and end up seeing idiots trying to push Republican propaganda (like that people could fix things if they just hustled). Critical thinking failure.
Step 1: organize a vanguard party of committed revolutionaries (many sub-steps)
Step 2: agitate within institutions that control key infrastructure and the military
Step 3: use the vanguard party to build a dual power political apparatus
Step 4: await a significant enough economic crisis that you can take advantage of low military morale (or open disloyalty) and public disgust/disillusionment with the actions of all ruling parties to show (through action not rhetoric!) the working class that your party is the only party willing and capable of meeting their needs.
Step 5: depose the current ruling class of their power and try them for their numerous crimes.
Step 6: congrats, working people have control of the state
It is a gloss over step tbh but yes people die. Revolutions are not a tea party. It doesn’t have to be a lot though. The Bolsheviks barely had to kill anyone to achieve state power. Granted they threatened the provisional government with shelling but after the first few shells they capitulated. Most of the seizure of power comes before officially “taking” the state by controlling or subverting its institutions. You first deprive the state of its power before you point the guns at its officials.
They won’t relent unless you at least point the guns at them to be clear. The provisional government in Russia famously held on to an utterly hopeless situation for “historical posterity”. They wanted to at least look like they held out to the last.
Proletarian revolutions don’t have to be, and often aren’t, the chaotic violence in the streets that people imagine. Through a strong vanguard party the violence of revolution can be directed and restrained.
This isn’t to say people aren’t going to die. Unfortunately the dying usually comes in the counter-revolution/civil-war that follows. These are messy things and I personally don’t think anyone “wants” revolution. Revolution is something people do because their current circumstances have become utterly intolerable and all other avenues have been tried. The vanguard party does exist to creat revolution it exists to steer it away from the common ruin of all contending classes. Violence is nevertheless, an inevitable outcome.
Edit: right, as for trying them for their crimes. Yeah some of the war-criminals deserve to die. They are responsible for mass murder.
Or we (* the people) could rise up and take back the power instead of thinking of ways to work inside their shitty system
Another one coming in hot. What exactly are the steps you think americans should take? Go step by step and fill in the blank. You can add steps if necessary.
Step 1:________________________
Step 2:________________________
Step 3:________________________
Step 4: We have back our country, yaaaaay!
Step 1: Get involved in local politics
Step 2: Show up in force and drag your neighbors along
Step 3: Don’t let up.
And yes, I’m doing all these myself while people sit online bitching
That is going on. I know you’re frustrated, but you’re doing the very thing you’re complaining about.
Oh yes, because I never have free time where I just want to scroll memes and end up seeing idiots trying to push Republican propaganda (like that people could fix things if they just hustled). Critical thinking failure.
You’re starting to sound like a troll. This is a warning before I give you a time out.
kinda bad form to police your own thread like that but ok
Looks like I found a new whatever this is to block.
Nope, just think you’re being an idiot. And now power tripping. It’s cool. I’ll see myself out. Though clearly the people disagree with you.
If you were saying this stuff to other users, you’d already be gone.
If you can’t keep your cool, and start calling people a troll because they rightly called you out, then you have no business being a mod.
Check out, and cool off
Step 1: organize a vanguard party of committed revolutionaries (many sub-steps)
Step 2: agitate within institutions that control key infrastructure and the military
Step 3: use the vanguard party to build a dual power political apparatus
Step 4: await a significant enough economic crisis that you can take advantage of low military morale (or open disloyalty) and public disgust/disillusionment with the actions of all ruling parties to show (through action not rhetoric!) the working class that your party is the only party willing and capable of meeting their needs.
Step 5: depose the current ruling class of their power and try them for their numerous crimes.
Step 6: congrats, working people have control of the state
Could you expand on that? That sounds like a gloss over step that gets a fuck ton of people killed and won’t work anyway.
It is a gloss over step tbh but yes people die. Revolutions are not a tea party. It doesn’t have to be a lot though. The Bolsheviks barely had to kill anyone to achieve state power. Granted they threatened the provisional government with shelling but after the first few shells they capitulated. Most of the seizure of power comes before officially “taking” the state by controlling or subverting its institutions. You first deprive the state of its power before you point the guns at its officials.
They won’t relent unless you at least point the guns at them to be clear. The provisional government in Russia famously held on to an utterly hopeless situation for “historical posterity”. They wanted to at least look like they held out to the last.
Proletarian revolutions don’t have to be, and often aren’t, the chaotic violence in the streets that people imagine. Through a strong vanguard party the violence of revolution can be directed and restrained.
This isn’t to say people aren’t going to die. Unfortunately the dying usually comes in the counter-revolution/civil-war that follows. These are messy things and I personally don’t think anyone “wants” revolution. Revolution is something people do because their current circumstances have become utterly intolerable and all other avenues have been tried. The vanguard party does exist to creat revolution it exists to steer it away from the common ruin of all contending classes. Violence is nevertheless, an inevitable outcome.
Edit: right, as for trying them for their crimes. Yeah some of the war-criminals deserve to die. They are responsible for mass murder.
Where do you live?
Don’t see how that’s relevant
America actually being trolled:
Repeat
I engaged with 0 out of 4 steps in this proposed cycle. Whatever narrative you have built in your head does not describe me or this situation.
But when does the profit come?