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I don’t get the hate Cosmic gets. The only mistake they made is that they released the first non-testing version of their new DE too soon.
Cosmic is the only full DE with usable tiling out of the box & tiling is superior, full stop. If I had to use a DE again I would probably use Cosmic. Even if we ignore tiling & focus on the floating experience, even today it’s better than Gnome without extensions, it’s not even close.
The Linux community has an oddly selective memory. Everyone remembers when Ubuntu had Amazon’s crap preinstalled, but now that Plasma 6.x is actually good everyone is conveniently forgetting how incredibly bad KDE 5 had been for most of its run, like so bad that it’s hard to put it into words. Cosmic is much better than Plasma 5.x & it’s getting better.
(though I do think excluding the use of Ai tools in a climate where all web browsers & operating systems are accepting LLM contributions is a wee bit strange & largely political)
I disagree that 5 was bad for most of its run. I think it was at about version 5.13 that I switched to it, having originally been a gnome 2.x user who hated Gnome3, but found KDE4.x unusable, and I’ve never regretted it a single time.
I’d struggle to remember any problem I have had with my system that I’d lay at the feet of KDE 5.
I’m not suggesting it’s perfect and I’m sure some folks did have issues, but I never got the feeling I was one of a lucky few having a good experience with KDE5. KDE 4 - yes that was a frustratingly bad desktop experience, and I think it was widely regarded as such. But I strongly disagree on painting KDE5 with the same brush.
@orlyowl@Sina same here. I used plasma 5 in the time of my migration from Linux to the BSDs on both platforms and found it reliable and stabile enough to be my daily driver until I switched to lxqt now
they released the first non-testing version of their new DE too soon.
This was the only issue I had with Cosmic. I don’t know what the current state of the DE is these days, but surely they’ve fleshed out some bugs by now.
Also, cosmic-text is an amazing gift to the world, for what that’s worth. Doesn’t really justify using the DE, but that library is amazing.
I don’t begrudge Cosmic or anything, it’s just not what I want. I’m glad it exists.
KDE 4 was the TRULY bad release, if I recall correctly. It was a massive change from 3 and reduction in features and stability. I actually noped back over to Windows for a while as a result. I remember 5 being a welcome return to form comparatively.
EDIT: From the wikipedia Article on KDE4, oof:
KDE 4.0 was released in January 2008. Linux.com described the reaction from users as a “revolt”, writing that the backlash KDE 4.0 received was on a scale that was unprecedented for a FOSS project. Although it was a developer’s release, several distributions made the KDE 4.0 desktop environment available to their users without specifying that it was an experimental option. openSUSE released a more polished KDE 4 option while other distributions “released packages that simply [didn’t] work,” according to project leader Aaron Seigo. As a result, many users complained about the loss of features and stability. A number of KDE developers, including project leader Aaron Seigo, were targeted for abuse by outlets like Linux Hater’s Blog. Several KDE developers stepped back from the public scrutiny.[36]
The reaction to KDE4 was overblown. Some cavedwellers with access to internet and too much free time shit on it constantly, just like the anti-systemd crowd, but I used KDE4 throughout its lifetime and still use KDE (6 now).
I’ve always loved KDE, and I’m using it right now, but pretending 4 was good is just foolish. It was freaking slow and buggy. It actually made me switch to GNOME and then Cinnamon for a while.
In my experience, much of KDE 5 was rather unstable and buggy too, which caused me to stick with Cinnamon for many years. I feel like only the tail end of 5 was mostly stable, and KDE 6 became stable fairly quickly.
They just released an OLED laptop and cosmic has no sign of supporting HDR yet. They are so far behind, its kinda hard to see what they were trying to achieve. I wanted to like their stuff, but the hardware was really subpar for the price. To top that off, they don’t “support” linux, they just ship it. I think they should mainline their drivers but I don’t know a ton about kernel stuff 🤷♂️. Either way the result is they only support pop and Ubuntu which was disappointing.
I don’t get the hate Cosmic gets. The only mistake they made is that they released the first non-testing version of their new DE too soon.
Cosmic is the only full DE with usable tiling out of the box & tiling is superior, full stop. If I had to use a DE again I would probably use Cosmic. Even if we ignore tiling & focus on the floating experience, even today it’s better than Gnome without extensions, it’s not even close.
The Linux community has an oddly selective memory. Everyone remembers when Ubuntu had Amazon’s crap preinstalled, but now that Plasma 6.x is actually good everyone is conveniently forgetting how incredibly bad KDE 5 had been for most of its run, like so bad that it’s hard to put it into words. Cosmic is much better than Plasma 5.x & it’s getting better.
(though I do think excluding the use of Ai tools in a climate where all web browsers & operating systems are accepting LLM contributions is a wee bit strange & largely political)
I disagree that 5 was bad for most of its run. I think it was at about version 5.13 that I switched to it, having originally been a gnome 2.x user who hated Gnome3, but found KDE4.x unusable, and I’ve never regretted it a single time.
I’d struggle to remember any problem I have had with my system that I’d lay at the feet of KDE 5.
I’m not suggesting it’s perfect and I’m sure some folks did have issues, but I never got the feeling I was one of a lucky few having a good experience with KDE5. KDE 4 - yes that was a frustratingly bad desktop experience, and I think it was widely regarded as such. But I strongly disagree on painting KDE5 with the same brush.
@orlyowl @Sina same here. I used plasma 5 in the time of my migration from Linux to the BSDs on both platforms and found it reliable and stabile enough to be my daily driver until I switched to lxqt now
This was the only issue I had with Cosmic. I don’t know what the current state of the DE is these days, but surely they’ve fleshed out some bugs by now.
Also, cosmic-text is an amazing gift to the world, for what that’s worth. Doesn’t really justify using the DE, but that library is amazing.
I don’t begrudge Cosmic or anything, it’s just not what I want. I’m glad it exists.
KDE 4 was the TRULY bad release, if I recall correctly. It was a massive change from 3 and reduction in features and stability. I actually noped back over to Windows for a while as a result. I remember 5 being a welcome return to form comparatively.
EDIT: From the wikipedia Article on KDE4, oof:
The reaction to KDE4 was overblown. Some cavedwellers with access to internet and too much free time shit on it constantly, just like the anti-systemd crowd, but I used KDE4 throughout its lifetime and still use KDE (6 now).
I’ve always loved KDE, and I’m using it right now, but pretending 4 was good is just foolish. It was freaking slow and buggy. It actually made me switch to GNOME and then Cinnamon for a while.
Yes, insult the other person because you disagree, that’ll be a nice interaction.
In my experience, much of KDE 5 was rather unstable and buggy too, which caused me to stick with Cinnamon for many years. I feel like only the tail end of 5 was mostly stable, and KDE 6 became stable fairly quickly.
They just released an OLED laptop and cosmic has no sign of supporting HDR yet. They are so far behind, its kinda hard to see what they were trying to achieve. I wanted to like their stuff, but the hardware was really subpar for the price. To top that off, they don’t “support” linux, they just ship it. I think they should mainline their drivers but I don’t know a ton about kernel stuff 🤷♂️. Either way the result is they only support pop and Ubuntu which was disappointing.