The only conservative nut bag with good aim. Are we sure Erikkka didn’t pay him to off her husband???
So she could be with J.D.? Hell… maybe J.D. was behind it all, lol
Unlikely, she ain’t no couch.
It wasn’t murder. it was a fucking public service. pollination is very bad for the world and his very existence polluted the world.
Pollination is the action of spreading pollen and fertilize other flowers and trees. It’s actually very good for the world.
Don’t use nazi talking points to pollinate, that’s pollution, cancer, even.
corporations have patented plants with pollen that spreads. they use this pollen to force farmers and other plant growers to pay them fees… even for something as simple as cross contamination.
Cool motive, still murder.
True, but there’s a point when i stop caring, like when someone intentionally spreads hate and may be indirectly responsible for murders.
Or a healthcare CEO.But fine, life without parole would do the same.
if you count taking out trash as murder… then you are a serial killer and should be executed on sight.
Cool, it goes to trial then. Maybe his fucked-up wife will testify. That should be quite a show.
Also, this guy deserves max sentence assuming he’s convicted. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend in this case.
The greater of two evils who just decided to eat the lesser
Before anyone goes vouching for this guy, my understanding is that he didn’t see Kirk as pure enough ideologically, IE he wasn’t Nazi enough.
I’m not disputing this, but I can’t find any verification. Do we actually have any sources on his ideology?
Correct. He was a Groyper. A Nick Fuentes brand Nazi.
Fuentes and Kirk had a feud.
Fascist infighting is a very real phenomenon Americans aren’t taught enough about because talking about how the Nazis were in fact murdering each other to rise through the ranks undermines the narrative that “The Nazis were owning everyone… until America swooped in and saved the day! Oh yeah!”
Truth is, Nazi infighting contributed more to the downfall of Nazi Germany than America did.
Do you have a source on this? I heard initially that he was a groyper but never really saw any evidence backing it up. I would be interested if there were new developments I’ve missed.
This is why we need to understand that you always punch Nazis. I’m tired of cajoling to mods and pretending “fReE sPeEcH” makes Nazis tolerable just to keep from being banned.
Hopefully that’s just my nascent trauma from reddit and I won’t get banned here, lol
“fReE sPeEcH” makes Nazis tolerable
Which is a risk.
Fascist infighting is a very real phenomenon Americans aren’t taught enough about
Honestly, that’s really just ideological fracturing, scaled up with the degree of radicalisation and readiness to do violence. The more you’re willing to kill the opposition, the more likely you’re willing to also target perceived opposition in your own ranks.
That infighting is probably more visible to us on the left because we see it all the time, while the right wing’s propagandists manage to project an image of unity. Charlie getting Kirked is an example of that facade cracking.
Good.
Fascist infighting is a very real phenomenon
That should be encouraged.
He doesn’t need to be a saint for it to be apparent he’s a fall guy. Based on what the FBI has told us it’s obvious this guy didn’t do it.
I will always upvote this.
I thought killing Nazis was one of the great American pastimes though? I feel that this was a concrete step towards Making America Great Again.
Killing Nazis was a favorite pastime of the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. (Fascism encourages killing one’s own allies to rise through the ranks or to “cull the weak”.)
America just showed up late to massacre Japanese civilians (We killed more with normal bombs than with the nukes.), let most of the actual Japanese war criminals in power go, and then claimed we were the ones that killed the Nazis.
Don’t forget the entire cities we set on fire.
Sometimes I really hate the propaganda machine I grew up in
Thing is that the guy who is suspected of doing it didn’t like Kirk because he wasn’t Nazi ENOUGH for his tastes.
I mean, a Nazi killed Hitler for being such shite at his job…
Nazi Inception
Charlie’s neck just did that. His blood pressure was too high from all the hatred and also his tiny face contributed.
Also the dude who didn’t kill him is a fucking weirdo too.
His face was normal and he had a tiny head that was swollen to be bigger than normal from the pressure. His neck was a weak point that finally succumbed to the pressure. That’s why his neck just did that.
Charlie’s neck exploding was the funniest shit. Douchebag deserved it
is pro life
dies
Says a few deaths are the price to be paid for having firearms
Backs it up
Now that’s what I call Ethos!
Removed by mod
Lol.
No rule against gore on this sub. And it was pretty tame gore and a historical photo. But whatevs. You do you, boo.
Lol. You have jeffw on your mod team. Now it makes more sense.
I have it saved on my phone and watch when I need to cheer up
Did they ever check for fentanyl in his system? How can we be sure the bullet had any effect?
Kirk, who had no active warrants…
Did he die from the bullet, or simply with the bullet?
Rapid Lead Poisoning.
if you watch the footage real closely you can see he moved his hands in a threatening to me matter
Should be destruction of property instead. Murder implies the killing of a human.
Dehumanization is a tool of the fascists. Don’t use it.
It’s hard to see the humanity in some of these people…
Fascists aren’t human, though.
They are — all humans are capable of the kinds of cruelty fascists espouse, and to claim otherwise just makes you open to lines of thought like “I know I’m human, which means I can’t be as cruel as them”.
No, it doesn’t, and I resent that implication. There is no line of reasoning between your not-even-wrong claim that all humans are capable of these unspecified kinds of cruelty and the conclusion that claiming otherwise leads to logical inversions like the one you have chosen.
- I am not capable of the kinds of cruelty fascists espouse. I would die before committing them.
- Claiming 1. does not impair my ability to do logic.
If I may… I agree that we shouldn’t use their tactic of dehumanization, BUT… we absolutely need to adjust our policy of what kinds of horrible behavior actually does justify a punch in the face (fascism and nazi stuff)
Generally once you remove trash from your property it becomes fair game.
The chuds are going to be so mad!
I had a conservative friend tell me there’s an entire conspiracy around this. And this guy was basically mentally unstable and convinced to bring the gun to this location.
In reality, Israel installed those pager explosives in his microphone that sent something into his neck. The main argument is that the gun used would have done significantly more damage.
Yeah Candace Owens is big on this stuff. It’s all about converting the antisemitism-curious leftists into antisemitic fascists.
Well, Charlie Kirk did say things against Israel in his final days. It seems like he was questioning things, if you look deeper.
Conspiracy theories fail as soon as you ask, what is the motive?
What would the motive for Israel to assassinate Charlie Kirk as opposed to Candace Owens or Tucker Carlson? Those are the people promoting these conspiracy theories, so why would they get a pass?
Obvious conspiracy theory, promoted by obvious anti-semites. You should look into the history of the people promoting this bullshit a little more.
It’s working on The Young Turks.
Imagine getting shot with that caliber and not having your neck turn to jello while literal steel can’t fucking take the hit. Also imagine assembling the gun only with a screwdriver, only to have to have it disassembled again before going on a run (all while leaving the screwdriver behind) in the span of like what? 10 seconds? And then for some reason in a forest, before tossing out the evidence, he assembles it back again (with no screwdriver this time). And what a coincidence it is that he left it in a forest on Black Rocks land parcel.
Everyone knows it’s faster to draw your backup screwdriver than to reload the primary screwdriver.
I certainly am curious how this trial is going to go. My gut tells me that, just like Mangione, the prosecutors have much more data than they’re giving us. Of course, Mangione pled guilty, this guy is going to have a trial.
Personally I think they were hoping for a guilty plea because whatever evidence they do have is fucked one way or another. Just kind of a guy dealing y’know? I suspect that Lash Patel probably fucked up some level of in estivation with their immediate shoving into what shouldve been a case for the local PD, Sheriff, and Utah state police. Possibly even damaging or fabricating the crime scene.
I was wondering that too. Even if he is guilty, the process was completely fucked.
Id legit be surprised if it wasn’t somehow fucked. Also holy shit autocorrect fucked by comment so much. Why is it like this?
Not sure if you’re on IOS, but I feel like their keyboard has gone to shit in the past year for some reason.
Nah android. Also I’m using browser cause fuck it why not.
But yeah it feels annoyingly shit more recently, usually when I misspelled a word badly enough or made a weird compound word it just kinda left it. But now it’s really fucking insistent on trying to correct everything.
Anyways theres a pretty solid chance that both our phones use the same base autocorrect systems so it probably crosses over.
It tried to turn crosses into corpses.
Everyone knows it’s faster to draw your backup screwdriver than to reload the primary screwdriver.
Sometimes bullets do really weird things, so I’m not saying it isn’t what happened, but it was a 30-06 rifle round which really should have done signficantly more damage from that range, so it is strange at the least.
If the bullet didn’t hit any bone that will greatly limit the visible damage
Please state your credentials on the matter. I am a hobbyist that has never shot a human but a 30-06 is a big fucking round going really fucking fast and necks are really fucking soft. The entry may be small but that exit is going to be significant. In my opinion.
My understanding is that the exit will often be big because of the bullet hitting bone and shit, making it flatter and thus destroy a lot more on the way out. The neck is soft and there isn’t much of it. If the bullet didn’t hit his spine, the bullet would be intact, and the exit hole would be pretty tiny.
Yep, the neck being soft is an argument against gory splatter action. Ballistic gel is soft too.
Also I suspect the Ammo used assuming it’s what they claim it to be was possibly old and the rifle couldve been worn. Those two could in theory fuck up the velocity of the round resulting in the damage we saw. Still weird but well within start ammo fuckery.
Yea afaik for a bullet that size, size and inertia of the bullet can cause damage much wider than the bullet size itself.
It doesn’t need to hit bone or anything for that… A youtube video can show that on one of those soft blobs.
We also don’t have any pictures of the exit wound. There couldve be a huge chunk missing from the back of his neck that the camera couldn’t capture at that angle
The splatter would’ve been visible in the footage, no?
Tarantino-style.
Yea, no. 7.62×63mm will take out a moose and not one hunter will tell you that “yea, sometimes they do weird things, man”. It will take you out easily. They even said that “he had strong bones”, nah… nah he didn’t.
I know nothing about guns or bullets, but is it possible the type of gun, or the specific bullet mattered?
No, not really. The type of gun doesn’t make a difference aside from the length of the barrel, but that’s pretty negligible for anything remotely normal (i.e. not a ~4-10inch barrel in this case).
Same thing with the cartridge/bullet, total energy varies bullet to bullet, but again, in a negligible way.
The real explanation is that the damage people expect from this cartridge is caused by hydrostatic shock: the shockwave caused by the bullet entering and slowing down significantly (transferring energy). Hitting somewhere soft and without much muscle mass, the side of the neck, let the bullet pass through without transferring a ton of energy.
Didn’t they rush to change the concrete pathing like the day after?
Fun fact, the company that paved is also israeli and quickly dissolved after doing that job. Company closed soon after the job was done. It’s literally nothing suspicious, Charlies neck can just do that, companies also do that sometimes too… it’s just average actions. Nothing to see here.
Where did you learn this? I’d be interested to know more about it
Did you just say caliber doesn’t matter? That’s completely asinine.
No… I said that a 30.06 cartridge can be loaded to multiple pressures and fire different weight projectiles. All effecting total muzzle energy, but without some really funky loads, it’s not deviating enough from the norm to cause the effect OP described in their conspiracy theory.
How do you possibly take the whole of my explanation and think that I’m trying to say the say the bullet type doesn’t matter?
This time you said 30-06, now I follow. Thanks.
I think to most people, “Cartridge” or “bullet” would imply the overall round, not the projectile or caliper.
22lr is the same caliper as 5.56.
The type of gun can matter, for example an autoloading rifle is not quite as powerful as a bolt action rifle because it uses some of the energy to cycle the bolt and load the next bullet. The shooter allegedly used a bolt action rifle, though, which should basically be “the most powerful” type of rifle.
OMG, listening to some of y’all talk about this shit that have no experience or business trying to explain about ballistics and rifles and ammunition etc. is just hilarious.
Gun nuts.
The type of bullet definitely, 100% matters. Some bullets have more mass than other bullets, and the material of the bullet can be harder or softer. All of that will affect the type of damage. The amount of powder used to fire the bullet also affects its kinetic energy when hitting the target.
Do we have loads of data on bullets being shot at this exact location at this exact range against a real human? Nobody can predict this, no matter how much they love their guns.
Yes.
The 30.06 rifle has literally killed tens of thousands of people at every range imaginable. It is easily among the most well studied weapons on earth. This is easily among the most common weapons in the United States and this cartridge was the standard issue rifle cartridge for both world wars.
Who’s the guy with experience/expertise on this subject saying it should have done more damage?
Bring an expert that says the contrary instead of throwing vague shade. It’s the consensus in most fire arm circles from what I understand.
Lots of other things don’t add up as well (like paving over the crime scene a week later).
If everyone is saying it you should have a source to backup the theory. It’s not everyone elses’ responsibility to disprove it.
I neck shot my deer last year with a 30.06. No huge exit wound. Obliterated the spine. We usually hang them from the head but had to hang this one by the hind legs.
I don’t believe that conspiracy, but I do believe this kid was set up. This is what gangstalking is for. Manipulating loners or people that don’t meet social standards.
Of course there would be a government website talking shit about it.
For those that want a straight forward description beyond the conspiracy/schitzo bullshit. This stuff isn’t new at all… These concepts etc. When some people realize this is truth they will be wishing there was a God. Or more truthfully they will tuck their dicks and live for them like Nazi sympathizers.; https://www.reddit.com/r/TargetedSolutions/s/XT2625ztu9
it’s funny that you don’t believe that (ridiculous) conspiracy theory but believe in a legitimately schizophrenic conspiracy theory (gangstalking)
Gangstalking is documented as a psychological torture technique by the UN Office of the Commissioner on Human Rights.
They’re what medical experts refer to as an ‘Idiot’
People upvoting you need to know that this is not a thing.
You’re trusting a source published by the US government in 2025?
It absolutely is a thing.
Pay especial attention to point 14.
For more information, see here here and here:
https://purdueglobal.dspacedirect.org/items/07d416e0-5a77-46c6-818b-d33392493f4b
Can’t wait for some doc to get declassified and we learn the CIA has been doing it for decades.
“It’s not paranoia if they really are out to get you”, I suppose. lol
It is not a ‘real phenomenon’ compared with genuine stalking
What is gangstalking and what genuine stalking? Basic trolling and harassing people is real thing. Unless you’re saying trolling doesn’t exist.
I know nothing about this “gangstalking” stuff, but it sounds like it’s about people who have a particular delusion, perhaps based on grander conspiracies, that isn’t grounded in reality. But that doesn’t mean that stalking doesn’t exist. Don’t tell me you guys are arguing that.
The far right propaganda system is making violent extremists. That is also a real thing. Whether or not it happened to this guy is not out of the question just because paranoid schizophrenia is a thing. Far right spaces are violent almost by default on account of being hate networks.
There’s a gangstalking subreddit; go give it a look.
You’ll see plenty of people posting on there about how “the followers” only appear when said poster has just finished smoking their bowl of meth. They’ll ask: Are the stalkers following them to steal their crank, or is the meth opening a vision of true reality and “unmasking” the followers?
And weirdly, no one can say for sure.
I’m not joking at all: These are the people you’re white-knighting. Maybe you can be the brave hero who solves the mystery for them?
So the Charlie Kirk shooter is a meth head that was seeing things? You guys seem to be trying to muddy up the waters, which is what I suspected all along.
And what exactly is being “whiteknighted” here? You’re trying fight a culture war or something.
Don’t tell me you guys are arguing that.
So when I link to something talking about how gangstalking isn’t a thing, you think I’m saying stalking doesn’t happen?
Please feel free to put other words in my mouth, I guess, if it makes you happy to do so.
It was a question. Not an assertion. You’re already combative. Your motives are suspect.
You didn’t answer the question btw.
I can’t help if it you use improper English.
You made a statement. Statements are ended with periods. Questions are ended with question marks.
So, alright, now that I understand the error you made, let’s re-evaluate based on that:
Don’t tell me you guys are arguing that?
Nope. Nobody is arguing that stalking doesn’t exist.
Is that better?
Maybe my motives will be less suspect when we’re using the same language.
I don’t consider most conservative hunters and shooters to actually be very skilled or knowledgeable. This is based very heavily on a lot of experience and interactions. A human neck bone will definitely stop a 30-06. It might be a flesh sack of spine gravel, but having no explosion of gore is not a surprise.
It was the most effective way to get him to shut up though. Really cute that it happened after he got dog walked so publicly by the Cambridge student.
It’s the most effective way to get all MAGA trash to shut up. Take notes. Only one thing ever stopped Nazis.
Yeah, I’m no ballistics expert myself, but if you look up videos of a ballistic Test dummy getting shot in the neck at that range with that caliber bullet, it appears that (if the details of the official story were true) his head would have likely entirely detached from his body.
Nonsense. It depends on how.much it slowed (from that distance, quite a lot), whether it tumbled (from that distance, likely), and where it actually struck.
A sword can take someone’s head off. It can also pass through soft tissue and simply nick a major artery. It depends on where it hits and how hard.
To be clear, they did the Test at the same distance.
They didn’t mention the tumbling thing, but I assume that’s just because it’s a higher level concept than the demographic the video was designed for would be familiar with. (I don’t really have any knowledge on that aspect myself, not trying to say I do).
As far as where the bullet hit, I’m going just off of the video and official narrative. In the video it looks like he’s having a fencing response, which would indicate that he was hit with force and not just glanced/grazed.
In the official narrative they claim that the bullet got lodged in one of his vertebrae and stopped because his neck was “abnormally resilient”, or because “that’s what god wanted” depending on who you ask.
Kirk died of a fetanyl overdose, Erika gave it to him.
Should plead guilty to fighting for freedom and killin nazis: the true American values. And then spit on the ground every time they say a nazi name.
“… Charlie Kirk…”
Spits on ground
