What a shitshow. This thread, I mean.
Yes, the guy was a proven nazi.
Yes, the woman has made many bad life choices.
Yes, the progressist white knights are a bunch of hypocrites putting the woman’s life above the poor innocent brown people the guy had killed.
Yes, in numbers genocide is worse than one life’s traumatic experience.
But, no, man. It’s fucking disingenuous putting both in the balance against each other.
That r*** triggers a lot more than one person because it is a symbol of patriarchal oppression.
Antagonizing the (liberal) feminists in this matter alienates people we should be trying to gain for our cause.
The majority made minority of brown people needs helping hands instead of generic admonitioning.
Engels would’ve been disappointed, OP.
Here’s a synthesis: vote planter because he’s an unhinged impulsive inconsiderate violent asshole who doesn’t consider others and can’t or won’t stop hurting everyone around him
Don’t you want the people around him to be congressmen? I think hoping for a congressional tpk is a bit much, but he might get one or two, and I think that’s worth your vote.
we’re trying to recruit liberals? rainbow capitalists? into marxism? kay
in order to have a popular uprising of the people you have to educate the people. we don’t have to exhaust ourselves recruiting unrepentant assholes, but we do have to teach well-meaning people where their actions are falling short if we’re to have any hope of getting out of this
How else are communists supposed to do anything if they don’t reach out to the working class?
My dude, we all were born as liberals because like the bearded one said “in every epoch, the ruling ideas are the ideas of the ruling class.”
It was always a little sus this guy was so prominent on these forums. If you put hope in him you are crushed I think that is by design.
I didn’t really buy it, but learning how impulsively violent and rapey he is, I really want him in a locked room full of congressmen.
This one came into my bloc🛜
I guess once you support a nazi you gotta go down with the ship
Yeah, he double downed!
Can’t wait until real ❝Americans❞ compost’im.
She was dating a merc with nazi tattoos, I won’t shed tears for a nazi lover that found out nazis are bad.
If you’re willing to date a nazi, you’re a nazi too.
And it if utter bullshit that nazi killing brown people is a respectable career choice in America, but we draw the line at hurting a nazi woman.
We all make poor decisions and there’s a chance she never knew about the tattoo or the other awful things he did isn’t there?
Why are you saying that sexual abuse is okay?
sexual abuse isn’t good, Never should happen to anyone, but I’m not going to cry about a nazi who dated a nazi.
“sexual violence against people i dont like” is not, in fact, a good position.
I try to be against being a nazi merc and to be against rape.
The problem is, most people here are only against rape, and are still making excuses for him being a nazi.
It isn’t one or the other, I’m with you.
but damn, so many nazi supporters.
Rape is bad
it is, but I y’all decided rape is bad and didn’t give a fuck about nazi mercenaries killing brown people for money.
Because you considered a white nazi woman to be worth more than brown people.
and everyone is clutching pearls that I refuse to shed a tear that a nazi lover was hurt. but refuse to acknowledge that every single one of his supporters was a nazi supporter.
That seems like a rather narrow view of other people’s opinions on this matter
are we in “you need to be more open minded and allow for a nazi merc”
so, Nazis are only bad then conservatives have them?
fucking nazi supporters, blue MAGA is as stupid and spineless as MAGA
Rape is bad. Nazis are bad. I think the moral is: don’t date bad people if you don’t want bad outcones.
Nazis are very bad. People that date Nazis do not deserve to be raped for their bad judgement.
Nobody is saying that they do… What they are saying is that one does not simply fuck a Nazi and expect good results. Like what the fuck else is there to be expected? You date a Nazi, you’re it exactly going to have a great time unless you’re also a Nazi I guess, but even then I doubt women are much respected in those groups.
Just one thing, many abusers are really good at hiding their bad parts and only showing them once a partner is more and more trapped. never being bad enough to leave, but always getting more and more power until the partner cannot easily leave.
That comment is a bit of victim blaming.
However this is not this case. he had nazi tattoos and was a mercenary, how can you go past the first two dates, or the first time sleeping with him without seeing those absolutely ginormous red flags without running away? Those aren’t red flags, those are foghorns, only possibility is that she is either severely mentally challenged, or a nazi herself.
I do not blame her for getting raped. no should get raped regardless how stupid they are, I am blaming her for dating a nazi. And even if she wasn’t raped, I would still blame her for dating a nazi.
I am not shaming her for being a woman, or a victim, I am shaming her for being a fucking nazi
If it’s a one night stand, that’s bad,
but she knew he was a nazi, she thought nazis are good, she was a nazi.
And nazi lives don’t matter
A LWer defending rape as long as it’s someone they think deserves it.
Why are liberals such fucking disgusting pieces of shit?
It’s kind of embarrassing just how easy it is to take down a promising leftist or progressive candidate these days. I mean, piss easy. Gone are the days where you had to orchestrate plane crashes or car accidents.
All you need is a time machine and a mind control device to go back and make them to kill people for money, commit rape, and get a Nazi tattoo. It’s that easy.
Okay but in aggregate those are value adds. What are the odds he snaps on a co worker? Don’t you want to see that on cspan? Dude’s impulsive and violent.
Imagine being that stupid that you vote a literal nazi mercenary because you believe he is violent and dangerous?
And I thought MAGA voters were dumb.
“lefty progressive”
He was a Blackwater merc, with a nazi tattoo, who reminisced about killing brown people, and kept his tattoo until national outrage.
he was a Nazi, leftist punch Nazis, not vote for them.
That entire album goes so hard.
Introduced him to my daughters (6&9 at the time), they love him, the youngest said he is the most handsome man in the world.
My son loves Bob Vylan, too. Gotta start ‘em young haha
I appreciate the UK for making all that Glastonbury drama, that is how I heard about him
Bob Vylan and Kneecap got such a good boost from the government trying to silence them haha
Love them both, the kneecap movie has absolutely no right being so good.
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No liberal lefty cunt is gonna tell me punching Nazis ain’t the way
the only psyop, is whatever is going on trying to convince me to allow more nazis in the government
As someone who did defend Platner, I will not shy away from the fact I was wrong. Whether or not he has changed since he was a mercenary really is irrelevant at this point. Rapists, whether reformed or not (and I do not believe be is reformed given his statement), should not hold positions of power. Platner needs to drop out and take accountability.
Platner needs to drop out and take accountability.
As someone who did defend Platner, I will not shy away from the fact I was wrong.Did we study the same praxis‽ Why aren’t you vanguarding his dropout right now‽ All of Maine should be out and replacing ALL the rapist candidates with an intersecting class.
Why are you still here, TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY‽
You’re wrong, no? Go reparate!This is a crazily aggressive response that makes a lot of arrogant assumptions, and all at someone who is admitting they were wrong about half-heartedly defending a politician. No wonder people never admit when they are wrong.
Because you did not do shit.
You supported a nazi, knowing he was a nazi, because “People can change UWU”. Not even because he changed, but because theoretically people can. And all you did what “I acknowledge I was wrong”. And? are you in the streets protesting for his resignation? are you doing anything besides telling us you are cool with nazis as long as they don’t engage in sexual violence towards white women?
No, you are just trying to get sympathy online with zero praxis.
I was a zionist growing up. I went to Israel when I was 18. I saw apartheid with my own eyes and have been trying to make reparations.
I participate in a local anti-war orgs help organize, protest as often as I can, I write antizionist articles and essays, I organize a local Jewish bund. Why? Because I have to, because I still feel guilty for the things I said when I was 18, because I wont stop feeling guilty until Palestine is free. If I was like you I would say, cool, glad I learned and don’t have to do anything about it.
Where the fuck is your accountability?
As far as it sounds, you are a nazi supporter that happens to be against rape.
Admitting being wrong is just useless chatter unless your actions show it.
I organize an activist and mutual aid group, so you can get off your high horse and stop accusing me of doing nothing. You saw one comment and assumed I am doing nothing. You saw through one window and think you can saw through my whole house.
And no, I wasnt defending him because I just think people can change. I thought he did change because of his apologies and beliefs. I felt the tattoo was not evidence enough against this because I could see scenarios where a former soldier, mercenary, and bluecollar worker from Maine would get a tattoo not knowing it was a nazi symbol.
Now leave me alone or I’m just gonna block you. I no longer have the patience for your bad faith scolding and demands for self-flagellation.
Edit: also thinking that someone making a couple comments on the internet giving the benefit of the doubt is somehow equivalent to nazi apologia or defending colonialism and genocide is, once again, crazy.
Edit 2: Also also, as someone pointed out, this person is a fucking victim blamer. So frankly they can eat shit. Crazy they think they got ground to stand on. https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/26963454
He had a nazi tattoo.
You do not get to be so naïve, that is called wilful ignorance.
If he changed, he would have removed it out of his own volition. He knew it was a nazi tattoo, he liked it, and only got a coverup after national outrage. You chose to support a nazi because you chose to be ignorant.
There is absolutely no excuse, and you have to accept that you weren’t tricked to support a nazi, you chose to support one.
He was a goddamn blackwater mercenary with a nazi tattoo. I have absolutely no idea who anyone can be so stupid as to support him. This is MAGA levels of stupidity.
Good, block me, I have no patience for nazi supporters and apologists.
half-heartedly defending a politician Comrade_Spood
Wait, what’s the display name for then?
I am an anarchist, and anti-electoralist. All I have ever done to defend him was say that it is possible he had changed, and that I didnt like when people cherry picked quotes without also showing his later statements on those quotes, and that I was pissed about all these people outside of Maine all of a sudden having something to say about Maine politics.
I do my part in my community. I do not need to add electoral politics to “reparate” onto that list.
Ah. I had thought you were a 1) Mainer that 2) forgot the first thing about intersection 3) was to #landback to the Cree. The first thing as anarchist that we should be doing is anti-electoralizing populists in Maine and beyond. Maine doesn’t need Senators, it needs a revolution. If Platner really cared for Maine, he should be landbacking and reperating the people he affected by both on his tours & his merc deaths. But since we both know this is about money, Dems&Reps won’t assist. Maine’ Senate seat needs to come from the bottom. A homeless Cree would be poetically just.
My reaction is justified if you did study anarchist principles. I only apologize for assuming you had anything to do with this FPtP campaign. It’s fine to want intersect for unjust slander. But Platner isn’t an anarchist whatsoever. I admit my assumptions were wrong.
Truce?
It wouldnt be the Cree, it would be the Penobscot, Passamaquoddy, Maliseet, Mi’kmaq, Abenaki, and Wolastoqiyik (maybe some others that I am not aware of).
I do read theory, but it is likely different than yours. I do not believe that landback or any of the change that is needed here will come from a politician. Especially if the strategy is to find a politician that is working class, holds all the right views, and has any viable chance of winning. I don’t see electoralism as a viable strategy, but when need be I feel the strategy is to find the most agreeable one and then apply external pressure (through direct action, protest, and advocacy) for the change we want. While Platner hadnt advocated for landback, he did advocate for queer rights (including trans), universal healthcare, divestment from Israel, and had the endorsement of the labor unions. That was as close to agreeable as I saw. Now I wasnt ever gonna campaign for him, and hell I didnt even think I was gonna vote for him, but I did see him as the most agreeable choice when the alternatives were Susan Collins and Janet Mills (who has a long history of blocking important legislature and being hostile to idigenous tribes). However with the rape allegations (his response to it being the cherry on top), it doesnt matter how agreeable I perceived him in the past. The only hope for an agreeable senate seat is if Platner drops out and Troy Jackson gets the seat. And frankly I do not have much hope for the electoral politics working out well here.
Instead I am going to hold course to direct action as the strategy I want to invest my effort into. If others want to put effort into other strategies, the 100% can. But I expect people to tolerate and respect where I am choosing to put my energy, just as I respect and tolerate where they put theirs (and not to assume I am just being an armchair politician).
This is all to say, thank you for apologizing and I appreciate you being amicable now. I apologize if this comes off blunt or like I am trying to get the last word in, that is not my intention. I just wish to explain myself so you have a better understanding where I am coming from with this, address any loose ends to the convo, and to just generally clear things up. And totally truce [pic related].
Also genuine question, are you from Maine?
Cool. I am going to stick to reminding folks electoralism doesn’t liberate and empower us proles. All the while reminding Mainers how much they actually need to reparate.
Liberals in this network just keep diving our collective efforts, and it’s extremely venomous.
Empowerment grassroots. It doesn’t populizes its demands.
I already saw populists already swinging for Jackson instead of demolishing deathcamps.Until we are all free✊🏿!
sorry, but if at any point in his life he changed, he would have covered up/removed that tattoo. keeping it was a choice he made every day in his life.
that isn’t reformed. and giving a Blackwater merc with a nazi tattoos a chance is some MAGA bullshit. but apparently, it’s only bad when they have Nazis in their party.
Arguing with someone admitting they were wrong, and doing it as a two part comment, is genuinely insane.
He is saying that he changed is opinion after the rape allegation.
I am saying that is still bullshit because he supported a Blackwater merc with nazi tattoos.
There is still a major difference, No, you don’t get points for allowing nazis, but drawing the line at rape
if he changed. then he would have covered up his tattoo way before getting into politics.
there’s zero excuse.
no, getting a cover up when called out by the public doesn’t count, too late, it should have been by his own agency before national pressure.
I’m gonna be real, it was obvious this guy had problems… like we can be happy he’s making leftist viewpoints mainstream, and acknowledge that he has serious issues, and know that it’s good for people to change their views over time, and recognize that the most recent allegations were timed very “conveniently”. We don’t have to just pick one.
The timing a rape survivor chooses to go public, or to seek charges could be due to a million reasons. Maybe they have been in a mental health crisis, and couldn’t cope with it previously. Or maybe, as she claims, she felt like the stakes were simply too high to stay silent now he was getting into federal politics. Or maybe some bad actor paid her enough to make it worth going public. We might never know for sure. Maybe it was a mix of all three. Maybe she (understandably) just wanted maximum retribution.
But what we do know for sure is that, whatever the reason for the timing, the guy was, and is, a sack of shit who should never have been stood up as a candidate in the first place.
Nah libs and republicans are dancing on the grave of his campaign
For months libs were making excuses for that cunt.
Ryan Grim is still doing it. I figured he’d possibly change with this red flag but Ryan’s also attacking the victim and publication.
All his supporters that now changed their minds are nazi supporters, this one happens to also be a rape supporter.
Bullshit
Even Sanders endorsed him.
Agree, total bullshit.
Famous liberal Bernie Sanders
You don’t get to gaslight me, the DNC was rallying behind him despite him being a mercenary with nazi tattoos. They were making excuses. And suddenly they are all surprised when it turns out he was a bad guy (to a white woman, killing brown people for money was OK)
Did the DNC endorse Platner? Last I heard he was saying the national party was not talking to him.
no they dint, they tried everything along with the gop to discredit him. they finally found that in a sudden accusation of acquataince of his. people were willing to overlook the obvious NAZI tattoos and blackwater involvement , up until the accusations came out.
A few did, most notably Bernie Sanders
People can, and should be allowed to change for the better. People often change their minds on things once they get more information and/or have time to sit with it. We should expect our politicians to do the same, and giving regular people that’ve made honest mistakes but are committed to changing for the better an honest shot is admirable.
It just so happens that in this particular case, way too many chances were given and no honest attempt to change was made.
That is 100% bullshit. and you know why?
If at any point in his life, he regretted his Nazi tattoo, then most tattoo places offer cover up of Nazi tattoos for free. He was a mercenary, he could afford laser treatment. There is absolutely zero justification for him going into politics with said tattoo. And in interviews he reminisced about being a mercenary.
People can change. but he didn’t. And using ‘people can change’ regarding people with nazi tattoos is some gaslighting bullshit.
Well let’s get more of the usual types then, let’s not try to step outside the mold and adapt. Let’s only ever run milquetoast neoliberals who want to tow the party line, that’ll show them damn libs.
I stg. At that point, why not just be a Republican? You’re already willing to look past rape and murder and Nazi symbolism for the sake of getting one over on those neoliberal establishment Democrats, right? Where’s the fucking line, then?
Or maybe, instead of becoming indistinguishable from the right, we can try to build a political movement that actually holds itself to some kind of extremely basic standards, that doesn’t just devolve into team sports where you look past all of “your guy’s” flaws.
If only there was some sort of middle ground between geriatric neoliberals and Nazi rapists…
The primary for this race sucked, it was this fucking guy vs a 78 year old…
Even if this turns into a milquetoast-off, some other races look better. More progressive candidates might make it to MI Senate, WI Governor, and a bunch of House races.
What fucking monkey paw wish is that.
“I don’t want milquetoast neoliberals”
gets a rapist nazi mercenary
It is fine that anyone can run, but he should have been laughed the moment anyone asked what did he do for a living, or what is that Tattoo. And never get even close to the news. Besides a local Maine headline “Maine nazi tries to run for dems, gets shamed out.”
Yet he got endorsements from Warren and Sanders and others.
Does this imply there are good guy mercenaries?
Deadpool?
More like a cumulative human shittyness.
However bad a nazi is, and however bad a mercenary is, he was both combined.
Abolish entryism
it’s great that everyone can try and get in.
but a mercenary with nazi tattoos should have been laughed out way before it even got any media attention.
It’s been disappointing seeing all the so-called left of the US form the same sort of American supremacist cult of peesonality around Platner as did MAGA around Trump.
This never happened, there was never a cult movement anything close to Trump around Platner. People were just excited for a candidate who said the right things.
The fact that he’s being dropped so quickly now is proof contrary to your claim.
For democrats, Nazis are only bad when the conservatives have them.
Maine dint stand a chance with anyone left of Mills, its either her or collins. Maine needs to choose and verify thier candidates better.
There comes a point where it feels like people online are screaming at the collective will of the voters themselves. Chuck Schumer endorsed Mills, so that would have absolutely been the establishment choice. She was polling so poorly and having such a hard time raising money that she dropped out. The people wanted Platner; he was just shittily vetted. Does that suck? Yes. But clearly, the primary voters in Maine wanted someone with a similar message to what Platner brought to the table. It’s just a matter of employing better investigators before someone achieves national prominence, because holy fuck what a shit show this has turned into.
WHY DO LIBERALS KEEP JOINING ANARCHIST /c/S‽ GO VANGUARD EVEN BETTER CANDIDATES THAT AREN’T EITHERS. THIS IS YOUR TIME TO JUSTIFIABLY REVOLT.
