• WoodScientist@lemmy.world
    54·
    2 小时前

    Only anti-Semites conflate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. If you see someone doing that, you know you’re talking to a raging bigot.

    • 🦄🦄🦄@feddit.org
      2·
      22 分钟前

      Ah yes the classic “”“anti-zionism”“” of using dogwhistle nazi caricatures of jewish people. Nice unmasking yourself you did there.

  • mirshafie@europe.pub
    321·
    5 小时前

    What the actual fuck. Nevermind the antisemitism for a second, why are they even bashing politicians based on appearance in the first place? British media is unhinged.

  • Starduster75@lemmy.world
    111·
    5 小时前

    Here we see those whose ancestors were not cooked in an oven in living memory explaining how this isn’t antisemitic, and how maybe people are too sensitive. Thanks for the perspective.

  • Danarchy@lemmy.nz
    32·
    7 小时前

    Slimer is not Jewish tho for one thing ectocooler was NOT kosher and also when he was eating books in the library those were vellum manuscripts which as you know can only be eaten by Jewish ghosts under certain very specific

    • glimse@lemmy.world
      11·
      6 小时前

      This comment is so funny I had to check: The ingredients seem kosher BUT they never got Kosher certification so it’s technically true.

      And when I looked into similar packaged drinks, I found that almost none are kosher. Some of the same drinks ARE kosher when dispensed from a machine, though, so maybe it’s a preservatives thing?

      Some very solid evidence that Slimer was not Jewish would be his glizzy gobbling. He didn’t ask the vendor if it was kosher, he just ate em.

      • zaphod@sopuli.xyz
        2·
        3 小时前

        The ingredients seem kosher

        You can mix kosher ingredients and get something that isn’t kosher, like a cheeseburger.

        • glimse@lemmy.world
          1·
          3 小时前

          True, though I couldn’t tell how the combination of ingredients would prevent the label either.

          And along with the combination restrictions, there are preparation restrictions, too. Gotta get Hebrew National when you invite Jewish friends at the summer BBQ as not all-beef hotdogs are kosher!

          …damn now I’m nostalgic and want some latkes and [those folded up artichoke things I forgot the name of]

      • Starduster75@lemmy.world
        1·
        5 小时前

        Who’s following kashrut in 2026 (at these prices)? lol, what food a person eats is not a significant sign of their ethnicity.

        • glimse@lemmy.world
          4·
          5 小时前

          We’re discussing the ethnicity of a silly ghost character based on context clues the writers didn’t deliberately put in a film from 40 years ago, don’t take it too seriously

          • Starduster75@lemmy.world
            18·
            5 小时前

            Yeah, what’s serious about antisemitism? Who could get hurt? Not like they were gassing and cooking human beings withing the last 100 years or anything…

            Yeah. I should be less sensitive.

            • glimse@lemmy.world
              5·
              5 小时前

              No one in this comment chain was making light of antisemitism, though.

              I feel like I’m about to ruin the joke but…what makes their comment so funny is that they’re (jokingly) missing the point and going off about something irrelevant with a fully-formed argument.

              I fact checked in the first place to send to the same Jewish friend who once told me he hated Hitler…for taking that mustache style off the table for everyone. Not a guy you can accuse of not taking antisemitism seriously.

              • Starduster75@lemmy.world
                15·
                5 小时前

                Bro. You’re using your Jewish friend to explain to me how this isn’t antisemitism? Do you even read what you write before you hit send?

                Well, I appreciate you informing my ignorant self as to what antisemitism is and isn’t. I should not have presumed to know about such things, and appreciate you setting me straight on it. I, and others related to me, should really learn to be less sensitive to such things. It is just humor, after all.

                • glimse@lemmy.world
                  2·
                  5 小时前

                  Bro. My family is from Skokie, IL. Like half of the people in my life are Jewish. I used a real example of someone “missing the point” for humor and their ethnicity is VERY relevant to my point that it’s not antisemitic to make jokes on the topic.

                  I have no idea how you get through life if your jimmies get rustled by two comments that weren’t in any way antisemitic. There are so many horrors in the world (including actual antisemitism) to get pissed about and THIS is the hill you’re gonna die on?

                  Arguing that Slimer wasn’t Jewish because he consumed ecto cooler, hot dogs, and books is funny as fuck.

  • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
    522·
    8 小时前

    Side view for more comparison:

    image

    Top right: clearest case IMO. nose clearly bears no resemblance to his actual nose, whereas large hooked noses are the most common physical anti-semitic stereotype.

    Top left: huge lips is another classic Nazi stereotype. Big ears arguably also, but he does have pretty big ears. The drooping eyes are a more subtle stereotype, but given that his actual eyes are narrow, not drooping, that’s pretty suspicious IMO. Contrast top-right, which caricatures his real eyes.

    Bottom left: fucking cursed, but I can’t see anything anti-semitic

    Bottom right: unhinged, but again not anti-semitic that I can see. There have been some depictions of jews as snakes, hence having forked tongues, but they’re not super common that I can see so it’s a bit of a stretch.

    • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      21·
      56 分钟前

      The four cartoon pics straight up look like they were drawn by A. Wyatt Mann.

      Edit: THREE cartoons and a PHOTO MANIPULATION, thank you for correcting fuckin pedant, feels like I’m back on Reddit thanks

      • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
        13·
        1 小时前

        Given that the bottom left is not even a cartoon but a photomanipulation I don’t think you’ve looked at them carefully enough that anyone should take your word for it.

      • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
        12·
        6 小时前

        OK but saying a politician is a snake or devil of some kind isn’t unusual, so unless we can find some anti-semitic trope it’s based on, I don’t see it.

        Ironically, the most common example I know if is Farage as depicted by Martin Rowson!

        • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
          2·
          3 小时前

          Who said they were bad? That’s on you. I love a snagle tooth 😍 so many people straighten their teeth unnecessarily. It removes all their character

        • Tiresia@slrpnk.net
          283·
          8 小时前

          I didn’t really associate the stereotype of bad teeth with lower class British people. AFAIK the stereotype comes from even rich British aristocrats supposedly having bad dental care.

          That said, you are right that applying that stereotype to specific people without first checking if they’re upper class is more likely to hit lower class people, especially with how culture has shifted since the stereotype was first formed.

        • BruceAlrighty@lemmy.nzEnglish
          82·
          7 小时前

          We don’t associate this with class, we think even your rich have fucked up teeth.

          • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
            9·
            4 小时前

            You know MAGA face? That’s kind of how British people see American teeth: incredibly fake. It’s a lot of pain, discomfort, and money to conform to a an unnatural standard solely for apperance.

            British teeth aren’t rotting and decaying, they just haven’t spent years forcibly rearranging the bones in their face.

            This does result in classisim in America, because poor families can’t afford to rearrange their face bones, and not having cosmetically “perfect” teeth is looked down on.

            • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
              3·
              3 小时前

              Don’t get me started on the hideousness of veneers. Talk about just turning your smile right off. So many beautiful faces ruined :(

      • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
        21·
        3 小时前

        They’re not playing with nothing, but they really leaned into drawing his features in an especially antisemitic way

      • glimse@lemmy.world
        6·
        6 小时前

        I think 1 and 2 are very, very clearly antisemitic caricatures but I’m also on the fence with the 3rd one.

        I was an edgy 4chan user in my teens so I’m entirely too familiar with antisemitic comics. But I don’t think I’d even raise an eyebrow if I saw the 3rd one by itself. They kinda just exaggerate his existing features. His nose is just bigger, not hooked. The slimer one FEELS wrong but I can’t pinpoint why.

  • unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth
    934·
    9 小时前

    Honestly, I’m failing to see the antisemitism. They’re exaggerating his facial features, which is standard practice in editorial cartoons. Unless I’m missing something?

    • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
      3·
      3 小时前

      Political characatures (sp) are common, but if you’ve looked at the specifically antisemitic ones from history you would see these borrow heavily and obviously from those old racist comics.

      • unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth
        83·
        9 小时前

        I don’t know the story about the Italian newspaper and the IDF soldier, so I can’t judge that.

        But I do have to be fair and say the nose is one of the many features they exaggerate (and the nose is very often a feature exaggerated in editorial cartoons, whether the person is Jewish or not). They also exaggerate the ears, his smile, and the gap in his teeth.

          • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
            1·
            3 小时前

            Didn’t think I’d go down a nose hole today.

            I feel like noses are just fun to look at?

          • turdas@suppo.fi
            119·
            9 小时前

            Exaggerated noses are a trope in caricatures regardless of ethnicity. But more importantly, the guy actually does have a bigger than average nose and big ears. What are the caricaturists supposed to do, not exaggerate his features? That’s the point of caricatures.

            • Tiresia@slrpnk.net
              8·
              8 小时前

              Look at how wide Polanski’s nose is between his eyes, where it transitions into the brow. Now look how narrow his nose is between the eyes in the cartoons, and how there is a dent at his brow that just isn’t there IRL.

              The cartoons aren’t exaggerating Polanski’s features, they are drawing an antisemitic “Jew nose”.

            • spud@feddit.ukB
              82·
              9 小时前

              The ears and teeth are probably fair game but his nose is normal and unremarkable. The nose in the first three is 100% hook nosed merchant jewish stereotype. The slimer one doesn’t seem nearly as bad as the others.

              • turdas@suppo.fi
                31·
                8 小时前

                His nose is quite distinctive. In front-facing photos (e.g. [1] [2]) the tip is the lowest part of his nose with the nostrils being above the tip. It’s reasonable to draw this as a hook nose in a caricature.

                Where the caricatures, particularly the one in the top right, go wrong is in drawing his nose with a prominent bridge (like this real nose), which he doesn’t really seem to have.

    • Kwiila@slrpnk.net
      212·
      9 小时前

      They aren’t exaggerating. They’re modifying to fit the “cunning greedy” antisemitic trope face. Big nose is fine, they made his hooked. Tooth gap is fine, they made him look like he’s been holding out on the dentist to chew gold. Long, flat side-pointy grin is fine. They made him look like a nervous Grinch contemplating the suffering of others with glee.

      The difference is so stark one wonders if you were saying this in good faith, in contrast to the presented dirtbag devil’s advocate (there’s no reason regardless to give them a benefit of the doubt nor defend them given what their position and the points they’re making, even if the art style were borderline).

    • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
      8·
      8 小时前

      Top right is the clearest example, it gives him a massive hooked nose. His nose is mostly straight. In contrast, every single Nazi poster depicted jews with, you guessed it, massive hooked noses.

    • Babalugats@feddit.uk
      612·
      8 小时前

      They’re out in force on this one. Scream antisemitism enough, and no form of satire, humor, criticism or anything else will be allowed if the person is Jewish. At least that is their hope. It’s half working, but I think it has peaked. At least that is my hope. Hopefully it starts its reverse trajectory now.

        • Babalugats@feddit.ukEnglish
          12·
          4 小时前

          jaja… Look around you.

          The fucking article is about a caricature of a man, and it’s being called anti-Semitic.

          That should tell you more than anyone needs to know. “Pick your battles” comes to mind.