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    None. There is zero definitive evidence of which side of the aisle he is on. The right wants him to be left and the left wants him to be right. Some on the right want justice, some want vengeance. Most on the left are celebrating either way, some didn’t agree with Kirk but didn’t believe he should die for his views.

    Then you have the people in the center of the aisle that just want to be left alone and don’t care. Both the left and right hates these people.

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      some didn’t agree with Kirk but didn’t believe he should die for his views.

      I just need to call this part out because it keeps getting repeated. I don’t think hardly anybody thinks he deserved to die for his views. His actions, on the other hand, really get people’s attention.

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        Yeah, no one should die for their views, but also, I aint gonna more some fuckong fascist jackass or even cry over it in anyway. I am, frankly, mostly indifferent to it. Its not going to make anything better ultimagely, somenother talking idiot hole will fill the gap in the hate machine.

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      And a fair chance he isn’t on any side in particular. The team sports model of politics isn’t everything…

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        Completely agree. I’m a center aisle guy myself. Hell, I don’t even wanna be center. I don’t even wanna be in the same room 😂

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          You got downvoted because everyone on the left thinks ‘I’m centrist’ is just something ppl say to disguise themselves whilst they say a bunch a right-wing shit; everyone on the right thinks the war has already begun, you gotta nail your flag to the mast, and why hide how you really feel; and everyone who’s actually in the centre gave up discussing politics on social media years ago because it’s detrimental to your mental health.

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            I got downvoted because I’m a big bag of contradictions. I’m neither “this” or “that” I hold beliefs and views from all sides. So it’s easier for folks to just downvote and belittle than try to understand.

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              Oh really? Well you’ve made me think about the issues I split out into sides:

              • climate change: it’s bad / fuck it
              • trans ppl: they cool / they’re a perversion of gods design
              • God: idk whatever / The Christian God
              • guns: dangerous! Restrict! / I need guns
              • immigration: ok / not ok
              • women: human / subhuman
              • state funded healthcare: yes plz / no tnx
              • public transport: love it / hate it
              • bikes: I am literally a bike / I literally just killed a bike

              These aren’t all aligned. Probably not all of them are a left/right divide to you. They’re probably not even all 100% applicable to your lived reality - not everybody has spent much time thinking about God - but I am curious where you think you’re left and where you think you’re right, or what I’m missing from my incredibly glib yet serious list.

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                Ok first I wanna commend you for actually trying to understand. Even if pretending. It means a lot. To answer your list.

                Climate change- no opinion. It changes daily. Or I’m just too dumb to understand it.

                Trans ppl- I am a Christian so naturally I don’t agree with it. BUT, I am not like the crazed lunatic Christians that will belittle them, berate them and talk down upon them. Or tell them they are a “perversion of Gods creation” or an abomination. They’re still human. I am human also. Who am I to judge?

                God- I am a Christian. More specifically a Southern Baptist Christian. Like I said previously though, I like to think not like some of the crazed lunatic Christians out there. From an early age I was taught to love all walks of life. My church has a saying. Be it cliche or whatever. But the saying is this— “Hate the sin. Love the sinner.”

                Guns- Absolutely dangerous. I’m Pro-2A. There’s some unhinged ppl out there that just shouldn’t own firearms. Mental health evaluation and gun safety courses should be mandatory before being able to purchasing any firearm.

                Immigration- 1000% ok. But only when done through the proper and legal channels. My family immigrated to the US many years ago from Ireland so I cannot get on board with illegal immigration.

                Women- Human, obviously. None of us would be here without them.

                State funded healthcare- not educated enough on this matter to have an opinion.

                Public transport- could work in larger cities/metro areas. But what about rural areas? How well would that work? Genuinely asking.

                Bikes(?)- motor or pedal? I don’t understand this one.

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                  I am a Christian so naturally I don’t agree with it. BUT, I am not like the crazed lunatic Christians that will belittle them, berate them and talk down upon them. Or tell them they are a “perversion of Gods creation” or an abomination. They’re still human. I am human also. Who am I to judge?

                  I’ve met Christians who never once denied my identity or acted like accepting me was fundamentally against their faith. I could argue that trans identities are a natural and evolved phenomenon, but you don’t seem scientifically inclined. Would anything ever change your mind to recognize us as who we say we are?

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                    Honestly, I’m not sure. Truly I am not sure. I will say though that I don’t like to think that I deny the trans community in what they say they are. I’m trying to explain this as best as I know how without any misunderstanding cuz that tends to happen over text since there’s zero indication of tones and whatnot. Anyways, like if you are what you say you are and you are happy then that’s great. Fantastic even. I’m happy for you. Truly I am. I will sit here and wish you and all of the trans community nothing but absolute happiness and success in life.

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                  Not sure why I’m engaging, but what the hell…

                  Climate change - yes, too dumb to understand. Actually, I think you are being willfully ignorant. “It changes daily”? Wtf?

                  Trans ppl - “I am a Christ so naturally I didn’t agree” wtf? Didn’t agree with what?

                  That’s as far as I could get. I think you are unwilling to challenge what you were raised to believe was right, and you operate out of an unconscious assumption that it couldn’t simply be unfounded.