I know liberals like to yell about “whataboutism” to distract from the fact that a country that arbitrarily imprisons and legally murders black people daily, still, in 2023 is criticizing any other country for accusations of, essentially, modern day slavery.
Man, I wish crackers cared about us as much as they pretend to about these fake genocides they like to cry wolf about to maintain global hegemon. At this point, if a foreign nation actually WAS committing a genocide and Amerika was the first ones to start complaining about it, I wouldn’t fucking believe them anymore. All the crackers know is how to lie on the folk that’s outperforming them, and that’s facts
Why do you guys even go to bat for China so hard? They’re not even communist? They are state capitalists and more right wing and authoritarian than the US republican party (other than on green energy)?
So I really don’t understand why you people are so desperate to defend them, not just on this, but on everything. It makes no sense to me.
They’re not even communist? They are state capitalists and more right wing and authoritarian than the US republican party (other than on green energy)?
Wrong and you do not even know what these terms mean.
Why do you guys even go to bat for China so hard? They’re not even communist? They are state capitalists and more right wing and authoritarian than the US republican party (other than on green energy)?
Because they aren’t. You are being lied to. If you want to understand us I recommend reading “Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners” by Robert Boer.
Okay I’ve just wasted about 30 minutes of my life reading someone unironically defend “Democratic dictatorships” with nothing substantial, just empty rhetoric and blind praise. And happily pushes the most abhorrent and blatant totalitarian propaganda such as
Those who are the people are the heart and soul of China, the recently voiceless majority, and their enemies are not people. Reactionaries and their perpetual dinner guests do not even count as people. Democracy is not for them. This is a rather breathtaking dialectical reinvention of the term “people” itself. “People” is partisan, focused on the majority who simultaneously comprise the whole.
Like yes, we’re a democracy for the people (the people are the partisans that agree with me, democracy is not for anyone else )
Only for the author to barely even touch on the issue of China not actually being communist.
Economically, most enterprises are operated by the state with socialist structures, yet capitalist production plays a significant role. The balancing act is to maintain control over those developments so that they do not dominate. Some would argue that the government and people have been swamped by capitalism since the opening up by Deng Xiaoping, but others observe that the situation is far from full-blooded capitalism.43
Is pretty much all he says in regards to the economics of China, so he doesn’t even say he agrees with one side or another and even if he did the other side is “well China isn’t 100% capitalist” not “China is socialist”
Like I’m sure you’ll claim I just didn’t understand what was really being said or how a totalitarian leader that openly arrests anyone that challenges him politically is actually Democratic, just a different kind of special Chinese democracy. Or whatever. But all you’ve done by getting me to read this is to hats China more.
Yeah I figured you lot would give a dismissive response like this. It’s the standard dumbass talkie tactic after quoting some tangentially related political literature that is just blatsnt propaganda, in the hopes your opponent is too lazy to read it, but they actually do and can call you out on your bullshit.
It’s scary how similar you guys are to the alt right.
Read Karl Marx read Lenin you wannabe intellectual. And if you’re too lazy then watch a vid by Hakim. It’s not our job to lecture you. You’re not special. If you don’t want to learn then you will be made fun accordingly.
Not even saying horseshoe theory really. Just you use the same tactics to push your bullshit.
I have read marx and Lenin, and Trotsky, Engels, even Mao. I’m an active member of my cities socialist community, we read a lot of communist literature when we’re not campaigning or protesting.
Supporting dictators that are awful people that don’t care about any sort of equality or betterment of the proletariat and run countries with capitalist systems (I know you lot say you believe in scc, but I fully believe everyone knows that’s bullshit.) Doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you a cunt.
Now if I were to get into hotshot theory I would be comparing the awful things China does with the things fascist states do and asking you what the difference is? Like if Mussolini had just called it “socialism with Italian Charecteristics” would you be fawning over him like you do for Xi?
Why ask a question when you can’t be bothered with engaging in the answer?
If you feel the need to actually learn something in the future take a look at genzhou here on the grad.
Otherwise please don’t waste anyone elses time.
Bro what? I asked a question, he said “you’re wrong, read this paper” and I read the paper. How is that me not being bothered with engaging the answer?
I read the paper and it just didn’t address the thing I was talking about at all. All it was trying to do is justify China’s totalitarian government as “centralised democracy” and blow roses up Mao’s arsehole. It didn’t show that China isn’t state capitalist at all. So what do you want me to engage with?
I read “socialism with Chinese characteristics: a guide for foreigners” by Roland Boer.
That’s what you told to me read. If its not the same one? Well really I don’t care because I’m not going to spend £100 on blatant propaganda thar just jerks off Mao for 300 pages. Which is what you want isn’t it? So you can dismiss my opinion and feel like you’ve “won” because I didn’t read your obscure propaganda book. It’s a pretty standard tankie strategy after all.
Man, I wish crackers cared about us as much as they pretend to about these fake genocides they like to cry wolf about to maintain global hegemon. At this point, if a foreign nation actually WAS committing a genocide and Amerika was the first ones to start complaining about it, I wouldn’t fucking believe them anymore. All the crackers know is how to lie on the folk that’s outperforming them, and that’s facts
Why do you guys even go to bat for China so hard? They’re not even communist? They are state capitalists and more right wing and authoritarian than the US republican party (other than on green energy)?
So I really don’t understand why you people are so desperate to defend them, not just on this, but on everything. It makes no sense to me.
Wrong and you do not even know what these terms mean.
Because they aren’t. You are being lied to. If you want to understand us I recommend reading “Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners” by Robert Boer.
Okay I’ve just wasted about 30 minutes of my life reading someone unironically defend “Democratic dictatorships” with nothing substantial, just empty rhetoric and blind praise. And happily pushes the most abhorrent and blatant totalitarian propaganda such as
Like yes, we’re a democracy for the people (the people are the partisans that agree with me, democracy is not for anyone else )
Only for the author to barely even touch on the issue of China not actually being communist.
Is pretty much all he says in regards to the economics of China, so he doesn’t even say he agrees with one side or another and even if he did the other side is “well China isn’t 100% capitalist” not “China is socialist”
Like I’m sure you’ll claim I just didn’t understand what was really being said or how a totalitarian leader that openly arrests anyone that challenges him politically is actually Democratic, just a different kind of special Chinese democracy. Or whatever. But all you’ve done by getting me to read this is to hats China more.
I’m sorry but you’re not very smart. You just don’t know what the words you are using actually mean
Yeah I figured you lot would give a dismissive response like this. It’s the standard dumbass talkie tactic after quoting some tangentially related political literature that is just blatsnt propaganda, in the hopes your opponent is too lazy to read it, but they actually do and can call you out on your bullshit.
It’s scary how similar you guys are to the alt right.
😂 waah muh horseshoe theory 🤓 waah
Read Karl Marx read Lenin you wannabe intellectual. And if you’re too lazy then watch a vid by Hakim. It’s not our job to lecture you. You’re not special. If you don’t want to learn then you will be made fun accordingly.
Not even saying horseshoe theory really. Just you use the same tactics to push your bullshit.
I have read marx and Lenin, and Trotsky, Engels, even Mao. I’m an active member of my cities socialist community, we read a lot of communist literature when we’re not campaigning or protesting.
Supporting dictators that are awful people that don’t care about any sort of equality or betterment of the proletariat and run countries with capitalist systems (I know you lot say you believe in scc, but I fully believe everyone knows that’s bullshit.) Doesn’t make you a communist, it makes you a cunt.
Now if I were to get into hotshot theory I would be comparing the awful things China does with the things fascist states do and asking you what the difference is? Like if Mussolini had just called it “socialism with Italian Charecteristics” would you be fawning over him like you do for Xi?
Why ask a question when you can’t be bothered with engaging in the answer?
If you feel the need to actually learn something in the future take a look at genzhou here on the grad. Otherwise please don’t waste anyone elses time.
Bro what? I asked a question, he said “you’re wrong, read this paper” and I read the paper. How is that me not being bothered with engaging the answer?
I read the paper and it just didn’t address the thing I was talking about at all. All it was trying to do is justify China’s totalitarian government as “centralised democracy” and blow roses up Mao’s arsehole. It didn’t show that China isn’t state capitalist at all. So what do you want me to engage with?
I recommended a 300 pages long book not a paper. You said you spend 30 minutes with it. That’s not enough to even skim it.
I read “socialism with Chinese characteristics: a guide for foreigners” by Roland Boer.
That’s what you told to me read. If its not the same one? Well really I don’t care because I’m not going to spend £100 on blatant propaganda thar just jerks off Mao for 300 pages. Which is what you want isn’t it? So you can dismiss my opinion and feel like you’ve “won” because I didn’t read your obscure propaganda book. It’s a pretty standard tankie strategy after all.
Yes exactly. I want you to read the forbidden tomes so you will fall to the ruinous powers of communism.