I know there are plenty of software missing from here. This is just a fun infographic I made, no need to take it seriously :)

  • nelson@lemmy.world
    311·
    12 days ago

    Pretty sure banks have a pretty good track record of “keeping your money safe”. Why the fork would anybody trust banks to keep their money safe if they can’t keep your money safe?

    I don’t really understand why that statement is even on there?

    Unless you mean to argue some anonimity point, which I could agree with considering e.g. Monero would be more anonymous than a bank.

    But safe? I’d say the bank is quite safe to store money.

    • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      21·
      12 days ago

      Money in the bank can be seized and frozen for all sorts of reasons. If you’re in the USA, then police can charge your money with a crime even if you haven’t broken any laws. It’s safe until it’s not.

      • Universal Monk@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        13·
        11 days ago

        Can confirm. about 15 years ago, my bank account was frozen for 3 weeks for child-support enforcement. Only they weren’t talking about my kid or even me. Some dude in Florida with my same first and last name was a deadbeat dad. So they froze my account because apparently, he didn’t have a bank account or something.

        What’s super annoying about it is that we had different middle names, not even close to the same social security number, and not one person even contacted me before my bank account was frozen. I only found out because a check I wrote or something bounced. And I was like, WTF?

        I was finally able to talk to enough bank people to clear it up. But it took 3 weeks. I never got an apology for it either. And the fuckers did not refund my insufficient funds fee. I mean, it was only $15 bucks, and it would have cost me more than that in my time to get a refund, but still…

        So yeah, even here in the US, banks can suck.

      • Semester3383@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        11 days ago

        Doesn’t have to be in the bank either; if you’re traveling with your life savings in cash, then if you get pulled over cops are likely to seize that money. Just because fuck you, that’s why.

    • TurtleTourParty@midwest.socialEnglish
      4·
      12 days ago

      Banks keeping your money safe depends on what country you live in and how much its government has regulated them and/or provided some sort of backup in the case of a run or the bank going out of business.

    • jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      11 days ago

      any bank that has the capacity to close your account without you explicitly requesting it should not be considered safe.

      fucking cip errors deleted my account

      whoever invented cip errors should be defenestrated at the earliest convenience

    • The 8232 Project@lemmy.mlOP
      1·
      12 days ago

      The intention was more “Banks keep my data safe,” but I wanted to provide a clearer explanation that if your data isn’t safe, neither is your money. I didn’t have enough room to put my full thoughts.

  • spv.sh@lemmy.spv.shEnglish
    14·
    12 days ago

    where’s the shovel and double-ziplocs to bury your cash, silver, gold, platinum, and palladium? or the zippo to burn your prints off? get on my level, ho

  • Lime Buzz (fae/she)@beehaw.orgEnglish
    12·
    12 days ago

    I’ll go further than this and say that true security is where everybody has support enough to not want to steal your shit, hack you etc.

    Yeah corporations and governments are still a problem, for now, but both of the above parties would be far more secure if they did mutual aid, supported progrms to help the impoverished etc etc.

    Basically having a collective approach to security and not such a myopic individualistic one.

    • Allero@lemmy.today
      161·
      13 days ago

      Well, unlike Bitcoin, Monero is actually anonymous, and sometimes you gotta make payments online.

      You can’t do it privately with your card.

      • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        210·
        12 days ago

        Bitcoin’s Lightning Network has onion routing for privacy, like Tor.

        When Bitcoin had a bug that allowed some guy to give himself a bazillion bitcoin, it was detected and patched before he was able to sell them. When Monero encounters a similar bug, it will only be detectable by the price going down.

        • Allero@lemmy.today
          4·
          11 days ago

          I’m not super knowledgeable on how anonymous such routing us, hence I avoid it.

          Don’t know why people bombarded you so much - the other side of total anonymity is that you really never know if anything got broken and someone earned off it.

          My suggestion, however, is to use Monero for payments, and not as a store of value.

    • potatopotato@sh.itjust.works
      3·
      13 days ago

      This is the correct initial reaction but given the extent to which the US monitors every single transaction everyone makes, it’s getting awful hard to manage the influx of feral hogs without having them streaming through your door.

    • The 8232 Project@lemmy.mlOP
      3·
      13 days ago

      Security isn’t the size of the app

      This could have two meanings, one of which I figure I should address:

      1. If you mean “size of the userbase for an app,” then yes, even projects that fly under the radar are much more secure than “mainstream” options. That’s the main purpose of this infographic.
      2. If you mean “physical size of the app on the infographic,” the reason they’re different sizes is simply because they were hard to fit on one page, and this made it look nice ;)
  • Ardens@lemmy.ml
    7·
    13 days ago

    But you do know that Tor/VPN is not really privacy, nor security? It hides your IP, but that’s about it. If you still login, and give any information, and that could just be your “fingerprint” you are not anonymous…

    • swelter_spark@reddthat.comEnglish
      31·
      12 days ago

      Hopefully you don’t log in or give personal info to every website you use. Hiding your IP is still more private than not hiding it.

      • Ardens@lemmy.ml
        3·
        12 days ago

        Do you know what your fingerprint is? And all the ways you are being tracked that is not about your IP?

        You do give personal info to every website you visit - with the exception of a very few, who respect your privacy. If you think you need to log in, to give personal info, then you are sadly misinformed.

        • swelter_spark@reddthat.comEnglish
          11·
          8 days ago

          Yep, I do know those things. There are other tools for that. Tor is still useful for doing what it does.

    • The 8232 Project@lemmy.mlOP
      11·
      12 days ago

      Encryption is a type of security, and Tor/VPNs encrypt your traffic. Accessing .onion sites over Tor is (at least in theory) more secure than accessing clearnet sites.

      • Ardens@lemmy.ml
        1·
        12 days ago

        In theory - but it’s still primarily your IP you are hiding. And very few people only visits -onion pages…

      • Ardens@lemmy.ml
        2·
        12 days ago

        Only a few take their privacy serious. They, sadly, believe in the ethics of the Tech giants…

      • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        12 days ago

        I2P is king here but it has a limitation that makes it stronger but less practical. I2P doesn’t generally do outproxies. A few exist but they typically aren’t trusted or used. Instead, I2P tries to keep private by only routing around traffic the originated within its own network rather than piping things from clearnet from one place to another. An issue with arrives that do that is you can see traffic from a honey pot going into a black box and with enough monitoring where it ends up leaving that black box. It’s very difficult to track traffic flow within the network but once it jumps back into clear net you can find it again.

        Now while you can argue that it doesn’t come out on clearnet, just originates from there, I counter that with Microsoft Windows telemetry, it might as well be clearnet. Windows is the dominant player at the moment so it’s most likely the traffic ends up on a windows machine. There are really benefits behind the telemetry date but they also means there’s a single point an authoritarian regime can apply pressure to to monitor whatever they want. With advances in AI, chewing through tons of collected data is much easier to do, so the idea of “they can’t stop all of us” is ridiculous. They will just pick off the undesirables in smaller chunks.

        Ultimately nothing is completely safe but if you really value privacy, make yourself such an enormous pain in the ass that monitoring you becomes a chore.

      • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        10·
        12 days ago

        It’s also a shit product riding on marketing laurels from its past glory days, like Norton. It leaves pieces behind that can cause malware to come roaring back.

        It isn’t hard to just nuke a system or restore a backup people.

      • KiwiTB@lemmy.world
        1·
        12 days ago

        Proprietary sure, but how is it privacy invasive let alone invasive on computers?

        What non-proprietary option is there? I can’t think of a single antivirus option which is actually remotely decent which is open.

        • The 8232 Project@lemmy.mlOP
          42·
          12 days ago

          ClamAV is an open source antivirus, but I would recommend against using an antivirus altogether due to their invasive nature. You shouldn’t need one with proper sandboxing and isolation.

          • KiwiTB@lemmy.world
            4·
            12 days ago

            ClamAV is slow to get updates and frankly not a great tool to use. AV is a must as isolation and sandboxing are only as good as the next exploit. Not too mention scams like phishing are not stopped by isolation.

  • Zerush@lemmy.ml
    3·
    13 days ago

    It’s not about what you use, but how you use it. PEBCAK Almost 100% privacy and security is offline at home, reading a book, if you bought the book with cash and not online and/or with credit card.

    • archchan@lemmy.ml
      31·
      12 days ago

      For starters, it’s open source. And I’m not too into the details, but the creator of Anubis even mentioned that they were interested in creating a non-javascript version for privacy.

      Google’s reCaptcha, to which Anubis is being compared to by OP, is obviously far less private. It’s just another mechanism of control and data harvesting for Google. One of the ways that they determine if you’re malicious/human or not is to check if you have a Google cookie in your browser and are signed in. Not to mention fingerprinting (hardware and software info), browsing data, AI training ironically enough (the fucking streetlights), etc etc.

      Anubis is relevant here because it is more private, among other things.

  • lock@lemmy.ml
    2·
    10 days ago

    How is iCloud not secure or privacy focused? You make no sense with this list. iOS is insanely secure compared to stock android.

      • ObjectivityIncarnate@lemmy.world
        7·
        11 days ago

        Anubis is so lightweight you’ll forget it’s there until you look at your hosting bill.

        I don’t know if they realize this is implying it’s onerously expensive, lol.

        • utopiah@lemmy.ml
          1·
          11 days ago

          What’s nuts is that what made Anubis’ author go down that path was Amazon Bot (I remember precisely because they are the bot that also blew up my logs and thus forced me to take action against LLM scrappers) and… a significant share of the Web is hosted on AWS. So… Amazon is actually probably MAKING money by scrapping, no matter how inefficiently. I already hated Amazon but this is even worst than I imagined. It’s probably not by design, to be fair, but it’s also probably not something they’ll invest into “fixing” as it’s making them money. What an absolute human centipede situation.