EDIT: no, I don’t sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they’re losing an argument ;)

  • frosch@lemm.ee
    22·
    1 year ago

    Of course it’s all sociopsychological. It’s an identity. Like nationality and ethnicity it’s a matter of social practice, not biology or genetics. As such it’s very much in the realm of things which are debatable. Are are you claiming otherwise?

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      161·
      1 year ago

      And? How does that make non-binary gender any less real? Which is what you implied with your original comment, by asking if it exists or not.

      Many things are matters of social practice, doesn’t make them any less real.

      • frosch@lemm.ee
        21·
        1 year ago

        It’s real insofar as there are people who subscribe to the idea and practice it. In the same way that Christianity or Wicca are real. The debate isn’t about this.

        But because it is real in this way, it’s also real that there are people who don’t believe than one can be non-binary. There is more than one schema for gender currently in Western society, and these schemas are in competition for instance the traditional binary vs various different non-binary conceptions vs so-called “truscum” vs xenogender…

        We know that gender itself as a matter of social practice (the work of second-wave feminists proves this definitively) so therefore all gender schemas are subject to social debate.

        Expect, and this is where the crux is, that some (but not all) trans and non-binary activists are now claiming that gender identity is innate (while gender remains a social construct) and that in fact it is sex which is arbitrary and that in fact it takes a whole team of medical personnel to ascertain sex (the so-called “assigned at birth” model).

        The broader point I am making is that because current Western gender schemas are in such flux, you can’t simply say that someone is Nazi just because they subscribe to a different schema than you do.

        • ToxicDivinity [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          6·
          1 year ago

          In the same way that Christianity or Wicca are real

          it’s also real that there are people who don’t believe than one can be non-binary

          So if someone holds the view that they don’t believe it’s possible for a person to be a Christian even though there’s millions of people that call themselves Christian do you think that means the question of whether or not there are people that are Christian is up for debate? That’s insane.