• BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee
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    Being European doesn’t necessarily mean you’re white. The Irish are European (and the whitest of the bunch if skin color was the only factor) and for the longest time they weren’t considered white, and were subject to the same oppression and genocide from the “real whites”. Many Jewish people, and many Zionist for that matter, may have European ancestry, but they aren’t really considered white. Some might be white passing, but the Jewish diaspora is multi ethnic and largely unified by their religion/family history. Even the ones from a “white” background aren’t considered white because they’re Jewish first in the minds of those who seek to enact racist violence against them

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      Hey, oh, guy of vaguely Italian American descent over here!

      Yeah, Italians also were not ‘really white’ untill… what, roughly the 1960s/70s, in the US?

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      “They weren’t considered white” only for ideological reasons that can only hold water amongst white Europeans (this is a tautology), lol, don’t give me that. Just because you’re all problematic amongst yourselves, confused and really needed a caste system in America doesn’t mean you’re not of the same tribe and ideologically waaaaaay more similar than different. That’s why the Europeans have historically moved the same whether they’re in the American continent, in the Middle East, in South Africa, in India, etc etc.

      The Europeans Jews (whether they believe or not, I’m talking about the ethnic and cultural group) are evidently European, the Zionist movement was constructed by European and American (displaced Europeans, I’m not talking about the Natives here) Jews, the ones murdering and pillaging the region in the name of Israel are Europeans, etc etc.

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        Racism is a nebulous ideology full of contradictions. It completely crumbles under close examination. You highlighting the internal inconsistencies of racism and going “see! It doesn’t matter that the visibly white people aren’t white!” Isn’t proving the point you think it is. There is no white tribe. It’s a myth. You’re fighting a ghost. The European continent is full of numerous ethnic and cultural groups. Groups that were at each other’s throats for most of their history. Some still are to this day. Again, the Irish are a perfect example of this.

        If I said all Africans are of the same tribe and waaaay more similar than they are different, you’d lose your shit. It’s the same deal. Whiteness doesn’t exist, white supremacy does. It’s complicated and makes no sense. It’s not supposed to make sense, it’s a tool of oppression just like any other form of racism.

        Between your comments on race and your comments on religion, it’s obvious that you’ve constructed a comfy narrative for yourself where all of the views you hold are the right ones and they absolve you of all wrongdoing perpetuated by members of your race and religion, choosing instead to lay the blame solely on others. You have no incentive to think otherwise, you’re perfect, your beliefs are perfect, and the people like you who do bad things aren’t really what they say they are. Enjoy your delusion