Oh, we’re going to do this again? We’re going to try to pass the same unconditional laws that Stephen Harper tried to pass then spent years and tens of millions of dollars defending all the way to the Supreme Court only to lose because everyone, including Harper, knew from the very beginning that they were unconstitutional?

Just fucking great. Can we not? Can you just roll your neo-fascist lack-of-virtue signalling into a cylinder and shove it up your fucking at instead?

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    There is sufficient evidence to decisively conclude that no, it won’t work. It will result it severe crowding of jails based on inconsequential crimes. Period.

    We need a story to handle repeat offenders. They aren’t wrong to say that the current approach isn’t working great. But they are massively wrong about the solution, and are again showing the dangers of having an incompetent populist run a major party.

    This is bad policy.

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    Reducing recitivism should the the top priority. Having better therapy and support in prison is step one. Offering those supports to high risk people before they go to prison is a good second step.

    Call me crazy but maybe waiting for someone’s third crime to do something meaningful seems lazy.

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    Not only has this not worked, but I can’t understand how anybody ever thought it could work.

    “You know what our justice system needs?! A way to prevent judges from using their judgment!”

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    Want to fight this? Look up what happened with three strikes in the US. Big hint: the creator later turned on the idea and helped crush it in most states.

    Don’t repeat our mistakes.

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      It is neo-fascist lack-of-virtue signalling. The US has spent $2 trillion losing the war on drugs. That money could have eliminated poverty in the US which would have greatly improved the crime and drug use situations (one and the same, really) but that doesn’t satisfy the braying white supremacists and class supremacists in the right wing base.

      That’s the winning right wing playbook. Tell you to be afraid. Tell you that the people who make you feel bad for being dumb (the intellectual elitists), racist and ignorant (the woke), backwards (progressives) are bad and that you are right to feel resentful and angry instead of trying to improve yourself and that crime is running rampant because of those people and white people are going to be replaced because of those people, and immigrants are invading the country because of those people, and they are the only ones who can protect you by letting you have military style weapons to protect yourself and your family, by being tough in crime with three strikes and mandatory minimum sentences, and by stopping immigrating and deporting non-whute people. The racist, ignorant, backward folks eat that alternate reality up.

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      This predates Trump by decades. Officials from states that had tried three strikes tough on crime laws told Harper it didn’t work but he did it anyway. You tell stupid period that crime is out if control to make them afraid then tell them that you are the only politician that will protect them by being tough on crime.

      Sound familiar? Republicans have been doing it in the US for decades. Polievre is trying to do it here. The foreign neo-fascist oligarch owned corporate media has been hyping crime in Canada without telling you that there is a major biker war going on and that unless you’re a biker the spike in crime isn’t going to touch you.

      Also, what happened to the Haitians in Springfield eating pets. I thought the Trumper were going fix that as soon as they got into office, or was that just a lie to make morons fear and fate immigrants to help Trump get elected?

      Don’t let Polievre do that to Canada.

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        Yeah, I know it’s been promoted before. But Trump was the first president I remember bringing it up.

        Poilièvre wouldn’t bring up something like Haitians eating pets though. That’s now how he is. As much as I dislike the guy, I know he’s not that kind of racist. His wife, Anaida grew up in Pointe-Aux-Trembles in Montreal, where I am from, and I know she had Haitian friends. She would throw a fucking fit and probably divorce him if he even thought about something like this.

        I am concerned about him saying DEI is crap though. And I’d like to hear what his wife, a girl from immigrant parents who grew up in poverty, has to say about this.

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          1993 was the first true three strikes law. It was passed in Washington state.

          I wasn’t suggesting that Petite Polievre would trot out the overt racism but that he is playing from the same playbook as Trump and his supporters include white supremacists and racists to whom he appeals with talk about immigrants.

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    He’s taking a big risk copying the U.S. system while he’s trying to distance himself from them.

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      I think he says those two ideas in separate breaths so they’re far apart enough that his voters don’t notice the dissonance.